So how come they only call the MC 'The Demon'

Batch · September 02, 2015, 10:51:13 PM

Is it because he was the one who specifically destroyed a Halo?

Because if I remember correctly a few weeks earlier there was a whole planet filled with these guys, enough for not just one Spartan in particular to attain such a title.

R o c k e t · September 02, 2015, 10:53:15 PM

Master Chief destroyed Halo basically.

Septy · September 02, 2015, 10:53:58 PM

Because he destroyed Halo, a valuable artifact to the covenant religion.

Batch · September 02, 2015, 10:56:37 PM

You know....was Bungie trying to put forth some religious message with these games?

>.>

Septy · September 02, 2015, 11:00:09 PM

Quote from: Batch on September 02, 2015, 10:56:37 PM

You know....was Bungie trying to put forth some religious message with these games?

>.>

Naaaah

Covenant
Ark
Flood
Gungnir
Mjolnir
John 117
Prophets

Complete coincidence

Batch · September 02, 2015, 11:02:50 PM

I really think John may be athiest Jesus.

To save the world of Jewish invaders.

Sandtrap · September 02, 2015, 11:16:24 PM

Demon is actually a nickname for most Spartans.

I believe Thel coined the Spartan from Grey Team, Jai, as a "Demon."

BaconShelf · September 03, 2015, 02:01:49 AM

Sorry to break your bubble, but Demon was a collective term for Spartans. They all looked basically the same from Covenant perspective, and were collectively given the same term.

Master Chief wasn't that special (fir a Spartan) before the battle of Alpha Halo. Not from the Covenant's perspective.

Girl of Mystery · September 03, 2015, 02:11:15 AM

All Spartans were called "Demons".

True Turquoise · September 03, 2015, 02:15:38 AM

Because they rekt them

Doctor Doom · September 03, 2015, 02:19:25 AM

The Covenant refer to any particularly strong adversary as a demon. This includes all Spartans and some regular humans. In ODST you can sometimes hear them call you an 'imp' - a smaller but still deadly demon.

velox · September 03, 2015, 02:26:38 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on September 03, 2015, 02:01:49 AM

Sorry to break your bubble, but Demon was a collective term for Spartans. They all looked basically the same from Covenant perspective, and were collectively given the same term.

Master Chief wasn't that special (fir a Spartan) before the battle of Alpha Halo. Not from the Covenant's perspective.

But wasn't he reffered to as the Demon after the event's of Halo:CE? As in, he's the worst of the worst to them.

BaconShelf · September 03, 2015, 02:34:49 AM

Quote from: Cerulean on September 03, 2015, 02:26:38 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on September 03, 2015, 02:01:49 AM
Sorry to break your bubble, but Demon was a collective term for Spartans. They all looked basically the same from Covenant perspective, and were collectively given the same term.

Master Chief wasn't that special (fir a Spartan) before the battle of Alpha Halo. Not from the Covenant's perspective.
But wasn't he reffered to as the Demon after the event's of Halo:CE? As in, he's the worst of the worst to them.

That's because Bungie refused to acknowledge the existence of the books.

Or you could argue that pretty much all of them died on reach and John was mostly alone in his engagements henceforth. If there's one fighting you, you'd refer to it singularly.

Batch · September 03, 2015, 04:33:01 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on September 03, 2015, 02:34:49 AM

Quote from: Cerulean on September 03, 2015, 02:26:38 AM
Quote from: BaconShelf on September 03, 2015, 02:01:49 AM
Sorry to break your bubble, but Demon was a collective term for Spartans. They all looked basically the same from Covenant perspective, and were collectively given the same term.

Master Chief wasn't that special (fir a Spartan) before the battle of Alpha Halo. Not from the Covenant's perspective.
But wasn't he reffered to as the Demon after the event's of Halo:CE? As in, he's the worst of the worst to them.

That's because Bungie refused to acknowledge the existence of the books.

Or you could argue that pretty much all of them died on reach and John was mostly alone in his engagements henceforth. If there's one fighting you, you'd refer to it singularly.

Ah okay, haven't actually read the early books, I must do those someday, thanks for the enlightenment gents.

Jono · September 03, 2015, 04:33:44 AM

I've wondered why Elites sometimes shout "Demon flare!" when somebody throws a grenade in Halo 2

Korra · September 03, 2015, 12:21:42 PM

Quote from: Jono on September 03, 2015, 04:33:44 AM

I've wondered why Elites sometimes shout "Demon flare!" when somebody throws a grenade in Halo 2

The Demon is throwing a grenade...that glows or emits light...which looks like a flare.

Verbatim · September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM

Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?

Anonymous (User Deleted) · September 03, 2015, 12:32:54 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM

Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?

IIRC in Halos 2 & 3 the explanation was real-time translation provided by Chief's suit. In Halo 5 it's apparently to show that Jul M'dama is losing grip of his forces and they're protesting him by speaking the humans' language.

But I don't think that explains the aliens simply lacking the physiology to speak English. (Four mouth flaps with teeth doesn't seem practical in any universe, but it's better to not think about these things >.>)

Doctor Doom · September 03, 2015, 12:38:39 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM

Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?

They have translators built into their suits or something. I assume they aren't really speaking English when talking to each other in cutscenes, but it's translated for the player because then they'd have to focus on subtitles instead of the scene itself.

BaconShelf · September 03, 2015, 01:06:18 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM

Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?

As previously stated, translation software. Since they took over 343 has developed a Sangheili language that they speak in cutscenes and gameplay. It's not just random gibberish unlike what is in Reach.

Sandtrap · September 03, 2015, 02:05:54 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM

Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?

Like the other folks said, Chief's suit had translation software in it that translated known Covenant dialects. But your questions.

The Covenant can speak english because they studied human language when they had first contact. Most higher ranking members of the Covenant have a firm grasp of human language and tend to use it in insults or messages.

Grunts, in particular, use it commonly on their own because they tend to operate communications monitoring equipment, and have something in their biology about possesing higher learning synapses, allowing them to quickly and fluently learn multiple human languages which they've been known to use among each other when not in the sight of a superior or higher ranking species.

They also have a black market for human tech and entertainment, which is also why the language is known.

velox · September 03, 2015, 03:01:18 PM

Quote from: Kupo on September 03, 2015, 12:32:54 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?
IIRC in Halos 2 & 3 the explanation was real-time translation provided by Chief's suit. In Halo 5 it's apparently to show that Jul M'dama is losing grip of his forces and they're protesting him by speaking the humans' language.

But I don't think that explains the aliens simply lacking the physiology to speak English. (Four mouth flaps with teeth doesn't seem practical in any universe, but it's better to not think about these things >.>)

Some Sangheili can speak English, and do so by pressing their mandibles together to form "lips". The Arbiter is one example, I believe Jul M'dama is another.

🂿 · September 03, 2015, 04:24:59 PM

Because he destroyed the Halo. First time they called him demon was the opening of Halo 2.

Korra · September 03, 2015, 04:47:14 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on September 03, 2015, 04:24:59 PM

Because he destroyed the Halo. First time they called him demon was the opening of Halo 2.

Fun fact: The Prophet of Truth has been the only Covenant to have ever said "Master Chief" when referring to the MC. Everybody (Covenant and Separatists) else either calls him "Spartan", "Demon", or "117".

Anonymous (User Deleted) · September 03, 2015, 05:38:46 PM

Quote from: Cerulean on September 03, 2015, 03:01:18 PM

Quote from: Kupo on September 03, 2015, 12:32:54 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?
IIRC in Halos 2 & 3 the explanation was real-time translation provided by Chief's suit. In Halo 5 it's apparently to show that Jul M'dama is losing grip of his forces and they're protesting him by speaking the humans' language.

But I don't think that explains the aliens simply lacking the physiology to speak English. (Four mouth flaps with teeth doesn't seem practical in any universe, but it's better to not think about these things >.>)
Some Sangheili can speak English, and do so by pressing their mandibles together to form "lips". The Arbiter is one example, I believe Jul M'dama is another.

Neat, I didn't think of that.

...But wait, do they have tongues?

Mattie G Indahouse · September 03, 2015, 05:43:10 PM

Quote from: Septy on September 02, 2015, 11:00:09 PM

Quote from: Batch on September 02, 2015, 10:56:37 PM
You know....was Bungie trying to put forth some religious message with these games?

>.>
Naaaah

Covenant
Ark
Flood
Gungnir
Mjolnir
John 117
Prophets

Complete coincidence

The "Great Journey" would be one as well. In reality if the Prophets got their wish they and everybody else would have died by doing it. That's no different than these religious cults committing suicide for theirs.

Girl of Mystery · September 03, 2015, 08:44:43 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on September 03, 2015, 04:24:59 PM

Because he destroyed the Halo. First time they called him demon was the opening of Halo 2.

That's not why he's called "Demon"
All Spartans are called "Demon". Chief isn't anything special.

velox · September 04, 2015, 12:25:14 AM

Quote from: Kupo on September 03, 2015, 05:38:46 PM

Quote from: Cerulean on September 03, 2015, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: Kupo on September 03, 2015, 12:32:54 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?
IIRC in Halos 2 & 3 the explanation was real-time translation provided by Chief's suit. In Halo 5 it's apparently to show that Jul M'dama is losing grip of his forces and they're protesting him by speaking the humans' language.

But I don't think that explains the aliens simply lacking the physiology to speak English. (Four mouth flaps with teeth doesn't seem practical in any universe, but it's better to not think about these things >.>)
Some Sangheili can speak English, and do so by pressing their mandibles together to form "lips". The Arbiter is one example, I believe Jul M'dama is another.
Neat, I didn't think of that.

...But wait, do they have tongues?

That I do not know.

Sandtrap · September 04, 2015, 12:29:36 AM

Quote from: Cerulean on September 04, 2015, 12:25:14 AM

Quote from: Kupo on September 03, 2015, 05:38:46 PM
Quote from: Cerulean on September 03, 2015, 03:01:18 PM
Quote from: Kupo on September 03, 2015, 12:32:54 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on September 03, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
Why can the Covenant speak English, and why do they? Especially during battle?
IIRC in Halos 2 & 3 the explanation was real-time translation provided by Chief's suit. In Halo 5 it's apparently to show that Jul M'dama is losing grip of his forces and they're protesting him by speaking the humans' language.

But I don't think that explains the aliens simply lacking the physiology to speak English. (Four mouth flaps with teeth doesn't seem practical in any universe, but it's better to not think about these things >.>)
Some Sangheili can speak English, and do so by pressing their mandibles together to form "lips". The Arbiter is one example, I believe Jul M'dama is another.
Neat, I didn't think of that.

...But wait, do they have tongues?
That I do not know.

They have trouble with a few human letters though.

F and P give them some difficulty.

Verbatim · September 04, 2015, 12:31:41 AM

you can stop notifying me now