So Cortana's death scene

challengerX · April 18, 2015, 03:59:46 AM

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Girl of Mystery · April 18, 2015, 04:16:49 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 17, 2015, 08:50:10 PM

they sexualized her to keep male gamers interested
because they think male gamers all just think with their dicks

So are youu just ignoring everything everyone has said ITT?
A depiction of the female body =/= sexual arousal.

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i shouldn't even have to fucking explain how it's insulting to women

But it's not though. A "naked" woman is in no way insulting to women. It's not like she's pole dancing or sucking dick or anything.
You could maybe argue that for her H3 design she is slightly sexualized, maybe, but that's it.

lmao you're a fucking feminist

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 07:54:09 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Dank Lememe on April 18, 2015, 04:16:49 AM

So are youu just ignoring everything everyone has said ITT?
A depiction of the female body =/= sexual arousal.

so are you just ignoring everything i've said ITT
i never said anything remotely similar to that

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lmao you're a fucking feminist

and you're not? lol cunt

Girl of Mystery · April 18, 2015, 07:58:32 AM

how am i even remotely feminist?

Nick McIntyre · April 18, 2015, 07:59:58 AM

ITT: Debating with an edgy brick wall.

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:01:20 AM

regardless of whether "a depiction of the female body does not equal sexual arousal" (whatever the fuck that means), what i just fucking said still stands

women are sexualized because they think that's the only way men can be interested in a female character

i hate having my sexuality exploited just so some dumbfuck game company can make a quicker buck

as for the women's side, yes, sexually objectifying women is inherently insulting to women
there is no getting around it

Quote from: Lemön | Dank Lememe on April 18, 2015, 07:58:32 AM

how am i even remotely feminist?

do you think women should have equal rights?

yes?

then you're a feminist

the end

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:03:08 AM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on April 18, 2015, 07:59:58 AM

ITT: Debating with an edgy brick wall.

Or I'm just right.

There's always that.

Nick McIntyre · April 18, 2015, 08:03:44 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:03:08 AM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on April 18, 2015, 07:59:58 AM
ITT: Debating with an edgy brick wall.
Or I'm just right.

There's always that.

You're fucking adorable.

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:06:47 AM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on April 18, 2015, 08:03:44 AM

You're fucking adorable.

let's assume my perspective is the objectively correct one

why in the fuck would i not continue to argue about it

how is that being a "brick wall"

i'm fucking right, guy

Nick McIntyre · April 18, 2015, 08:08:30 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:06:47 AM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on April 18, 2015, 08:03:44 AM
You're fucking adorable.
let's assume my perspective is the objectively correct one

why in the fuck would i not continue to argue about it

how is that being a "brick wall"

i'm fucking right, guy

You know what they say about opinions. The only thing I'm seeing is you doing the usual "arguing for the sake of arguing."

Girl of Mystery · April 18, 2015, 08:11:14 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:01:20 AM

as for the women's side, yes, sexually objectifying women is inherently insulting to women
there is no getting around its

Okay. That's nice.
Cortana's appearance isn't sexually objectifying women. The fucking studio head and general manager at 343 is a hard feminist. She wouldn't have agreed with Halo 4's Cortana design if she was a sexual objectification.

How can you not comprehend that a realistic depiction of a woman isn't sexual objectification?

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:12:09 AM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on April 18, 2015, 08:08:30 AM

You know what they say about opinions. The only thing I'm seeing is you doing the usual "arguing for the sake of arguing."

i'm arguing for the sake of defending my position

you don't refer to me as a feminist disparagingly, as if being a feminist is a bad thing, and not expect to have an argument
yes, i'm going to defend myself

the only brick wall is lemon

Nick McIntyre · April 18, 2015, 08:14:53 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:12:09 AM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on April 18, 2015, 08:08:30 AM
You know what they say about opinions. The only thing I'm seeing is you doing the usual "arguing for the sake of arguing."
i'm arguing for the sake of defending my position

you don't refer to me as a feminist disparagingly, as if being a feminist is a bad thing, and not expect to have an argument
yes, i'm going to defend myself

the only brick wall is lemon

Lol.

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:15:33 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Dank Lememe on April 18, 2015, 08:11:14 AM

Okay. That's nice.
Cortana's appearance isn't sexually objectifying women. The fucking studio head and general manager at 343 is a hard feminist. She wouldn't have agreed with Halo 4's Cortana design if she was a sexual objectification.

unless she was an idiot

are you denying that the studio head and general manager of 343 is an idiot

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How can you not comprehend that a realistic depiction of a woman isn't sexual objectification?

because she didn't look anything like that at one point
she was practically flat in halo 1

am i saying that women have to be flat in video games?

no

i'm saying you should be fucking consistent
because it looks kinda fucking suspicious if you don't

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:21:31 AM

to rephrase that first point, yes, there are feminists who have different opinions and perspectives on what counts as sexual objectification, and i have mine

feminists are not a homogeneous hive-mind of the same opinions echoed at each other forever
so if she disagrees, obviously, either
1. her view is faulty
2. my view is faulty
3. she doesn't factor character design into her feminism

and there are a lot of feminists who just don't give a fuck about how women are depicted in media
but i do

Girl of Mystery · April 18, 2015, 08:25:25 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:15:33 AM

unless she was an idiot

are you denying that the studio head and general manager of 343 is an idiot

Well she's a hard feminist, so she's kind of dumb, yeah.

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because she didn't look anything like that at one point
she was practically flat in halo 1

am i saying that women have to be flat in video games?

no

i'm saying you should be fucking consistent
because it looks kinda fucking suspicious if you don't

Oh no. How dare things improve over time. How dare they make her look less like an exaggerated woman and more like realistic looking woman.

Asset improvements aren't suspicious at all.

Halo 4's Cortana is the least sexually objectifying next to Halo 1's Cortana (and that's only because of the age of the game).

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:26:57 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Dank Lememe on April 18, 2015, 08:25:25 AM

Oh no. How dare things improve over time. How dare they make her look less like an exaggerated woman and more like realistic looking woman.

Asset improvements aren't suspicious at all.

Halo 4's Cortana is the least sexually objectifying next to Halo 1's Cortana (and that's only because of the age of the game).

you keep saying that her halo 4 design is "realistic looking" and i just don't agree

they may have tried, and that may have been their stated goal, but to me, they failed
hard

Girl of Mystery · April 18, 2015, 08:37:29 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:26:57 AM

you keep saying that her halo 4 design is "realistic looking" and i just don't agree

Except it is. Objectively.

She's the most anatomically correct in Halo 4 out of them all.
-She doesn't have silicone pornstar tits like previous Cortana designs.
-She has natural looking wide hips as opposed to the stupidly slim previous Cortana designs.
-She has a body size that any healthy weight woman would have.

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:43:05 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Dank Lememe on April 18, 2015, 08:37:29 AM

-She doesn't have silicone pornstar tits like previous Cortana designs.

except she does

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-She has natural looking wide hips as opposed to the stupidly slim previous Cortana designs.

except she doesn't

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-She has a body size that any healthy weight woman would have.

whatever
so would any good sexualized character

the examples are particularly egregious on the account of the fact that she's basically naked
if she had clothes of some kind, and not skimpy ones, maybe she wouldn't be sexualized

but she doesn't
so she is

objectively

Nick McIntyre · April 18, 2015, 08:47:41 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:43:05 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Dank Lememe on April 18, 2015, 08:37:29 AM
-She doesn't have silicone pornstar tits like previous Cortana designs.
except she does

Compared to the previous Halo games, she's got the saggy grandma tits. Her tits in 2 and 3 were more busty while CE had them weird-ass Sigourney Weaver tits.

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:49:44 AM

Quote from: Voro 'Cinotai on April 18, 2015, 08:47:41 AM

Compared to the previous Halo games, she's got the saggy grandma tits. Her tits in 2 and 3 were more busty while CE had them weird-ass Sigourney Weaver tits.

i realize this

slightly (SLIGHTLY) less sexualized =/= not sexualized at all

Girl of Mystery · April 18, 2015, 08:53:13 AM

Have you ever seen a fucking woman?

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:43:05 AM

except she does

Go watch a porno, and then go look at a picture of a regular naked woman.

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except she doesn't

Except she does. Objectively.

Like seriously. Have you ever seen a woman besides yourr mother?

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whatever
so would any good sexualized character

So should I even bother listing the literal shit ton of female characters that have big tits and super skinny waists?

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the examples are particularly egregious on the account of the fact that she's basically naked
if she had clothes of some kind, and not skimpy ones, maybe she wouldn't be sexualized

A naked woman =/= sexual objectification

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 08:54:35 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Nob Gobbler on April 18, 2015, 08:53:13 AM

Have you ever seen a fucking woman?

yes

she's sexually objectified

objectively

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A naked woman =/= sexual objectification

good thing i never said that

Girl of Mystery · April 18, 2015, 08:58:45 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 08:54:35 AM

yes

she's sexually objectified

objectively

How? Because she's "naked"?

Yeah, no. That doesn't mean she's sexually objectifying.

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Nob Gobbler on April 18, 2015, 08:58:45 AM

How? Because she's "naked"?

Yeah, no. That doesn't mean she's sexually objectifying.

why is she naked

here comes some bullshit story-related rationalization
because anything is okay, as long as the story permits it!...

The Lord Ruler · April 18, 2015, 09:17:55 AM

But I mean it's not like cortana has any nipples or detail where her vagina should be.

So is she actually "naked"?

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 09:36:47 AM

it's like she's wearing the most skintight clothing ever, then

and if that's not sexualization, i don't know what the fuck is

Girl of Mystery · April 18, 2015, 09:41:44 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on April 18, 2015, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Nob Gobbler on April 18, 2015, 08:58:45 AM
How? Because she's "naked"?

Yeah, no. That doesn't mean she's sexually objectifying.
why is she naked

here comes some bullshit story-related rationalization
because anything is okay, as long as the story permits it!...

She's not even actually naked though.
If she had glaring nipples and a cunt for the work to see, then sure, you'd actually have a point.

There doesn't need to be a reason for her being "naked".
Why did Michelangelo have naked women in his paintings?

Verbatim · April 18, 2015, 09:49:00 AM

Quote from: Lemön | Nob Gobbler on April 18, 2015, 09:41:44 AM

She's not even actually naked though.
If she had glaring nipples and a cunt for the work to see, then sure, you'd actually have a point.

if they could've gotten away with her having nipples and a visible labia, they certainly would have
but that would be too overt--it would be extremely dangerous and controversial to do that

so they made her as visually lewd as possible without being overtly contentious

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There doesn't need to be a reason for her being "naked".
Why did Michelangelo have naked women in his paintings?

there actually is an answer to that, though

nudity in renaissance-era art was often used as a way to convey that a particular figure is, in at least some respects, inhuman
(that is to say, they're heroes/gods/demigods--they were more than human)

for example, aphrodite is always depicted as nude because she's a goddess, and is above such earthly things such as clothing

david was a biblical hero, and heroes, by their very nature, transcend the quotidian functions of man--and thus, michelangelo sculpted him in the nude, to show that he's a more perfect/virtuous being than the average man

it would be silly to argue that we do the same thing today, in the hypersexualized, hyperconscious culture of the now

Batch · April 18, 2015, 10:38:37 AM

Verb, it's a smart AI, if it wants to look like a naked chick to screw with the minds of her human slaves, then that's what she'll do.

It is based after Halsey after all, it doesn't need to be sane. She was naked looking because she was, end of discussion, end of this art nonsense, end of this feminist crap. It's been around for years and no one has had any issues with it, just let it go man.

*sips tea*