settled on a GTX 1060

Thun · June 01, 2016, 09:45:50 AM

Are AMD cards more of a hassle? People keep saying they have more issues and produce more heat. Is this a good alternative for a first build?

Ian · June 01, 2016, 11:15:21 AM

AMD cards are good budget cards to use when building a furnace to survive the next ice age, same with their CPUs. Nvidia just trumps them in every way possible. I have had nothing but good experiences with Nividia cards and AMD always tends to cause issues, mostly cooling issues.

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on June 01, 2016, 09:45:50 AM

Are AMD cards more of a hassle? People keep saying they have more issues and produce more heat. Is this a good alternative for a first build?

Thun · June 01, 2016, 11:27:17 AM

Quote from: Ian on June 01, 2016, 11:15:21 AM

AMD cards are good budget cards to use when building a furnace to survive the next ice age, same with their CPUs. Nvidia just trumps them in every way possible. I have had nothing but good experiences with Nividia cards and AMD always tends to cause issues, mostly cooling issues.

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on June 01, 2016, 09:45:50 AM
Are AMD cards more of a hassle? People keep saying they have more issues and produce more heat. Is this a good alternative for a first build?

Oh, I just wanted to save 200 bucks.

nosejob · June 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM

The 480 looks amazing you guys are dumb. It's very efficient as well meaning it'll run cooler.

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Thun · June 03, 2016, 10:55:26 PM

Quote from: MemesAreFunny69 on June 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM

The 480 looks amazing you guys are dumb. It's very efficient as well meaning it'll run cooler.

Still 150W.

I think I've settled on the 1070. I wanna do 1440p eventually and it can handle it well.

BC · June 04, 2016, 01:55:44 AM

AMD also has the shittiest driver support and doesn't have EVGA as a manufacturer.

EVGA is literally bae

nosejob · June 05, 2016, 03:32:17 PM

Quote from: ねこ on June 01, 2016, 02:45:04 PM

Quote from: MemesAreFunny69 on June 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM
The 480 looks amazing you guys are dumb. It's very efficient as well meaning it'll run cooler.
Can you post a link backing your assertion?

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/amd.radeon.rx.480.release.date.specs.vr.ready.polaris.10.gpu.to.arrive.this.month.has.us199.price.tag/87409.htm

The new chip is more efficient and the less power that's used the cooler the card will run. The 480 and 1070 aren't really competing with each other but the 480 looks fantastic for the price.

Also AMD drivers are completely fine. If anything, nvidia's are worse because they are constantly updating them (more space for error).

Thun · June 21, 2016, 05:09:34 AM

Life got me down and I've now settled on an RX 480.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y2bWZ8

What do you think? Video card left blank, for obvious reasons.

BaconShelf · June 21, 2016, 05:10:31 AM

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on June 21, 2016, 05:09:34 AM

Life got me down and I've now settled on an RX 480.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

What do you think? Video card left blank, for obvious reasons.

The list is blank

You need to use the share link, not the one in the URL bar

Thun · June 21, 2016, 05:12:11 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on June 21, 2016, 05:10:31 AM

The list is blank

You need to use the share link, not the one in the URL bar

oops, my bad

BaconShelf · June 21, 2016, 05:15:52 AM

seems cool

What you planning to play on it - like, are you intending to play BAttlefield 1 at ultramax settings or are you more going for something like Elite Dangerous in regards to how intensive it is?

Thun · June 21, 2016, 05:18:03 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on June 21, 2016, 05:15:52 AM

What you planning to play on it - like, are you intending to play BAttlefield 1 at ultramax settings or are you more going for something like Elite Dangerous in regards to how intensive it is?

Neither really. I just wanted something upper mid-range. Might as well hang with the new kid on the block, ya dig?

Will it handle both? This would be a first build for me.

BaconShelf · June 21, 2016, 05:25:35 AM

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on June 21, 2016, 05:18:03 AM

Quote from: BaconShelf on June 21, 2016, 05:15:52 AM
What you planning to play on it - like, are you intending to play BAttlefield 1 at ultramax settings or are you more going for something like Elite Dangerous in regards to how intensive it is?
Neither really. I just wanted something upper mid-range. Might as well hang with the new kid on the block, ya dig?

Will it handle both?

ED definitely. Not sure on BF1. IT'll probably handle it on decent enough settings. Though the ultra ultra settings for frostbite games generally require supercomputers to run. I'm probably not the most qualified person to ask there.

snurch · June 21, 2016, 07:04:35 PM

Quote from: MemesAreFunny69 on May 30, 2016, 03:32:30 PM

Personally I'd pass on the SSD and use that to get an i5. Good build tho.

you can always upgrade to an i5

moving OS isnt as easy, unless you want another new install, and this is the thing your OS runs on so if you're upgrading from a PC using a HDD as a boot drive it's still going to take the same amount of time to start up as any PC on a HDD

snurch · June 21, 2016, 07:07:41 PM

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on June 01, 2016, 09:45:50 AM

Are AMD cards more of a hassle? People keep saying they have more issues and produce more heat. Is this a good alternative for a first build?

sure there are charts and stuff out there saying X or Y runs like 2 degrees cooler and X has 3% performance over Y on this game and 5% over on the other game

that's really just nitpicking though

it hasn't been a real problem for the past couple generations and it's only going to get better, neither AMD or NVidia really make "bad" cards

snurch · June 21, 2016, 07:10:23 PM

Quote from: MemesAreFunny69 on June 05, 2016, 03:32:17 PM

If anything, nvidia's are worse because they are constantly updating them (more space for error).

I wouldn't say that, software is unpredictable, other than that neither are as bad as the other, AMD drivers have had their problems as NVidia have, and both have only improved

but yes the RX 480 is one of the best value cards to have been announced in a long time

Thun · June 30, 2016, 02:45:39 PM

Ian · June 30, 2016, 02:55:31 PM

It's a sign, don't get AMD. It might be a somewhat decent GPU, but you don't want to compromise on the GPU, go with a Nvidia card instead.

EDIT: I was worried real quick that somebody was trying to shill AMD to you but it appears you were just having bad luck with money. The 480 runs literally exactly the same as a 970, now you might not like the fact that the 970 is slightly (keyword here SLIGHTLY) more expensive, however you're not going to be waiting on back order for a 970 and given the problems AMD has had in the past with heating, noise, and power consumption, a 970 would serve you better (and probably longer). That slight raise in price is an investment in all honesty.

Thun · June 30, 2016, 03:40:45 PM

Aren't you just shilling Nvidia though?

Big Boss · June 30, 2016, 03:45:06 PM

What do all these numbers and letters mean

Ian · June 30, 2016, 03:48:21 PM

My brother tells me that, is it shilling for Nvidia when you simply choose to avoid AMD completely? I've had nothing but bad experiences with AMD and as far as benchmarks go, they're either neck and neck or inferior in whatever situation. This isn't even an argument with CPUs. Whenever AMD unveils whatever new line of GPUs they want to showcase, they will always do so with Intel core systems because they know their own CPUs are problematic. Meanwhile Nvidia has never once failed me and they're not ball busting more expensive like people would have you believe.

If you want to call it Nvidia shilling I wont stop you but it's more accurate to say I'm just very Anti-AMD and there's no other alternative other than Nvidia/Intel. AMD continues to shit the bed and get away with it under the guise of "Price over performance".

Quote from: Thunder on June 30, 2016, 03:40:45 PM

Aren't you just shilling Nvidia though?

Thun · July 01, 2016, 04:05:12 AM

Quote from: Ian on June 30, 2016, 03:48:21 PM

My brother tells me that, is it shilling for Nvidia when you simply choose to avoid AMD completely? I've had nothing but bad experiences with AMD and as far as benchmarks go, they're either neck and neck or inferior in whatever situation. This isn't even an argument with CPUs. Whenever AMD unveils whatever new line of GPUs they want to showcase, they will always do so with Intel core systems because they know their own CPUs are problematic. Meanwhile Nvidia has never once failed me and they're not ball busting more expensive like people would have you believe.

If you want to call it Nvidia shilling I wont stop you but it's more accurate to say I'm just very Anti-AMD and there's no other alternative other than Nvidia/Intel. AMD continues to shit the bed and get away with it under the guise of "Price over performance".

Quote from: Thunder on June 30, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
Aren't you just shilling Nvidia though?

Honestly, if the 980's price was miraculously dropped somewhere closer to a 480's, I would get it for sure.

Keep in mind this is a first build for me. I don't know the reps of either brands and am just looking for something that can get me 60fps at 1080p right now. The plan was always to upgrade later.

Also I've been hearing the 480 draws too much power which is giving me second thoughts...

Thun · July 01, 2016, 07:05:49 AM

Should I wait?

snurch · July 01, 2016, 10:41:23 AM

Quote from: Ian on June 30, 2016, 03:48:21 PM

My brother tells me that, is it shilling for Nvidia when you simply choose to avoid AMD completely? I've had nothing but bad experiences with AMD and as far as benchmarks go, they're either neck and neck or inferior in whatever situation. This isn't even an argument with CPUs. Whenever AMD unveils whatever new line of GPUs they want to showcase, they will always do so with Intel core systems because they know their own CPUs are problematic. Meanwhile Nvidia has never once failed me and they're not ball busting more expensive like people would have you believe.

If you want to call it Nvidia shilling I wont stop you but it's more accurate to say I'm just very Anti-AMD and there's no other alternative other than Nvidia/Intel. AMD continues to shit the bed and get away with it under the guise of "Price over performance".

Quote from: Thunder on June 30, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
Aren't you just shilling Nvidia though?

You've probably just been unlucky

I've used both AMD and NVidia cards for years without much problems, all in all, cards are always getting more reliable, more power efficient and less hot, this has been true for NVidia and it is also true for AMD

Hardware is always a roulette, whether it's drivers that don't work with your specific PC setup or a DOA part, your part could die the first day you have it, or 7 years after constant gaming

There's a reason AMD are still selling their cards, and it's because they have a great answer to the mid-low range market - no NVidia card or AMD card is any more reliable than any other piece of hardware in your computer, out of the 6-7 builds I've made for people over the years with either companies, the only issue has been with a broken motherboard

If you search "AMD card dies" you're going to get the same results as "Nvidia card dies", people are going to say something if their card doesn't work as intended, and people are going to vouch for the card they have because it's working as intended - simply put, people who have had no problems with their cards wouldn't say anything because it's working as it's supposed to

snurch · July 01, 2016, 10:48:11 AM

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on July 01, 2016, 04:05:12 AM

something that can get me 60fps at 1080p right now. The plan was always to upgrade later.

Also I've been hearing the 480 draws too much power which is giving me second thoughts...

The RX 480 is amazing at 1080p, especially on DX12

Those power draw concerns are based around the fact that the card is near the top of it's limits when it comes to clock speed and memory bandwidth; it's simply not designed as a card which overclocks well, and when you do, it would eat up a lot more power

None of that should be a concern to you, the people who overclocked this card did it so you know the limits, and the returns are diminishing

if the myths were to be believed that it could draw upto 200 watts, that still shouldn't be much of an issue either with the range of offerings corsair, seasonic and evga have for a more than capable power supply for any single-card setup

Ian · July 01, 2016, 10:52:04 AM

Or they could just be uneducated, I thought my Sapphire Radeon 200 series card was supposed to run rather hot until I saw a variety of complaints when searching for what is now my current video card. I could have gone with a Fury X nor did I see any legitimate complaints from it, but EVGA's support for Nvidia cards really leaves an impression. A friend of mine had a failed 980 and sent it back to EVGA and they gave him a 980 TI as a replacement, I don't know if AMD gets the same treatment but I've only heard similar instances happening with Nvidia cards, and was one of the smaller reasons I went with the 980.

And I hope this is still strictly speaking of the GPU's because as stated before, AMD even knows their CPU's just aren't up to snuff. Which is why I'm heavily eye balling Summit Ridge since the architecture is no longer just small modifications to Bulldozer. While I wont admit to being a Nvidia shill, I WILL gladly admit to shilling for Intel simply because AMD hasn't done anything like Summit Ridge for a long time, but this MIGHT just be the thing that will change my opinion on AMD. But as of now, my own personal experiences with AMD along with those of my brothers (one of which has a full AMD system set up) makes me very hesitant to go with anything from them.

@Thunder: The ultimate choice you're going to make here is whether or not you want a card now or later. If you want to wait for the 1060 go ahead but you'll be waiting longer than you would for a 480. Any card starting from the price range of the cheapest 480 going up will serve your needs well, ultimately you'll pay slightly more now if you want the card now and slightly less if you can wait it out. As for the 1060, I personally don't see a reason to wait on it when a Nvidia card that stands against the 480 already exists and that's the 970. But once again, I reiterate that it all comes down to wanting a card now or later. I wont hark on you anymore if you choose an AMD card, you already got my shilling just for going Intel.

snurch · July 01, 2016, 11:24:28 AM

Quote from: Ian on July 01, 2016, 10:52:04 AM

Or they could just be uneducated, I thought my Sapphire Radeon 200 series card was supposed to run rather hot until I saw a variety of complaints when searching for what is now my current video card. I could have gone with a Fury X nor did I see any legitimate complaints from it, but EVGA's support for Nvidia cards really leaves an impression. A friend of mine had a failed 980 and sent it back to EVGA and they gave him a 980 TI as a replacement, I don't know if AMD gets the same treatment but I've only heard similar instances happening with Nvidia cards, and was one of the smaller reasons I went with the 980.

And I hope this is still strictly speaking of the GPU's because as stated before, AMD even knows their CPU's just aren't up to snuff. Which is why I'm heavily eye balling Summit Ridge since the architecture is no longer just small modifications to Bulldozer. While I wont admit to being a Nvidia shill, I WILL gladly admit to shilling for Intel simply because AMD hasn't done anything like Summit Ridge for a long time, but this MIGHT just be the thing that will change my opinion on AMD. But as of now, my own personal experiences with AMD along with those of my brothers (one of which has a full AMD system set up) makes me very hesitant to go with anything from them.

@Thunder: The ultimate choice you're going to make here is whether or not you want a card now or later. If you want to wait for the 1060 go ahead but you'll be waiting longer than you would for a 480. Any card starting from the price range of the cheapest 480 going up will serve your needs well, ultimately you'll pay slightly more now if you want the card now and slightly less if you can wait it out. As for the 1060, I personally don't see a reason to wait on it when a Nvidia card that stands against the 480 already exists and that's the 970. But once again, I reiterate that it all comes down to wanting a card now or later. I wont hark on you anymore if you choose an AMD card, you already got my shilling just for going Intel.

AMDs CPUs are incredibly cheap too, though; I wouldn't recommend them either for any gaming, but for any other family member, it will perform the same just as much on youtube videos, browsing the web, and you can get one for like, what, $40? The PC I build for my mother is on an AMD APU, and it works the same as the day it was built - for what she does on it, it's more than capable of the job. I really wouldn't put it in any gaming build though.

As for EVGA's support, EVGA are usually one of the more expensive board partners you could buy cards from.

Legally, any board partner should treat you the same way, you should be able to ask for an RMA under warranty and get it replaced for free, OR BETTER if they do not currently have your stock, or they do not produce that card anymore, but is still within warranty from the date of purchase.

But yes, there are varying levels of how fast customer service responds, how they deal with your issues, methods of communication (my preferred is online chat), and I've gotten my laptop replaced, my X-55 replaced, a stick of RAM, and almost a motherboard (false positives). Yes, some board partners are better than others when it comes to this, but just as there are good NVidia board partners like Zotac and EVGA, there are good AMD board partners like PowerColor and XFX.

Thun · July 01, 2016, 12:01:27 PM

So it's just overclocking that pushes it past 150W?

snurch · July 01, 2016, 12:19:50 PM

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on July 01, 2016, 12:01:27 PM

So it's just overclocking that pushes it past 150W?

160-170 on stock it seems

Again with the kind of power supplies available right now, I wouldn't worry about it, especially since it only uses one 6-pin