Pretty much, this is why I stopped playing Zelda five years ago.

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you stopped playing zelda five years ago because of a video that contains no reasons why you would stop playing zelda?


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you stopped playing zelda five years ago because of a video that contains no reasons why you would stop playing zelda?
Oh yeah, because vaguity, shit character motivation, a bunch of xxxtra flat characters, annoying mechanics, and a truly awful overarching narrative (all things mentioned in this video) are just the type of shit that keep you wanting to come back!


 
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you stopped playing zelda five years ago because of a video that contains no reasons why you would stop playing zelda?
Oh yeah, because vaguity, shit character motivation, a bunch of xxxtra flat characters, annoying mechanics, and a truly awful overarching narrative (all things mentioned in this video) are just the type of shit that keep you wanting to come back!
especially when few of those things actually matter, or make a huge difference with regards to the overall experience or the developers' intent

ganon's motivations are pretty clear in almost every game—they may not be good or interesting motivations, but like a darth sidious, the point of his character isn't to have good or interesting motivations

he is simply the embodiment of evil, period—it doesn't have to be more than that

every character in star wars is flat as fuck and has shit motivation, but no one cares

like a star wars, it's literally just hero's journey: the game

that's all it's ever tried to be and that's all it ever should be


 
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the creator of this video is quite obviously a big zelda fan, too—you kind of HAVE to be to make a video like this

it's clearly just a dude poking some fun at one of his favorite game franchises in a very lighthearted, tongue-in-cheek way—it's not meant to be an exposé or turn anyone away from the franchise, and if anything, it's a tribute

so you're using what's essentially a joke video to justify your loss of interest with a franchise

what a solonoid thing to do


 
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you stopped playing zelda five years ago because of a video that contains no reasons why you would stop playing zelda?
Oh yeah, because vaguity, shit character motivation, a bunch of xxxtra flat characters, annoying mechanics, and a truly awful overarching narrative (all things mentioned in this video) are just the type of shit that keep you wanting to come back!
Wait are you serious??


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the creator of this video is quite obviously a big zelda fan, too—you kind of HAVE to be to make a video like this

it's clearly just a dude poking some fun at one of his favorite game franchises in a very lighthearted, tongue-in-cheek way—it's not meant to be an exposé or turn anyone away from the franchise, and if anything, it's a tribute

so you're using what's essentially a joke video to justify your loss of interest with a franchise

what a solonoid thing to do
Yes, clearly they are a fan.

But that doesn't change the fact that sometimes we shit on things we love, and shrug with a "but I love it, what are you gonna do?" attitude, and the reasons we have to shit on them are the same reasons other people end up dropping it.

Oh, but, I'm sure if we go back over this thread there will be a point where I claimed this YouTuber was creating a ravenous and very serious assault against Zelda, and maybe even my own heavyhanded demand that you all do the same.

This video describes the reasons I lost interest in the franchise to a tee. Just because it isn't fuming doesn't mean it isn't true, and doesn't mean those reasons can't just be a *giggle, so true xD* moment for others.


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pre examplar, I have 400hrs in destiny (not that many tbh), and I spent at least 300 of them shit talking parts of the game with my party.

But we were still playing, and we got back on and played again the next day.

Stop taking everything so damn seriously.


 
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"but I love it, what are you gonna do?"
i don't say shit like this though because it's stupid

i don't love zelda unconditionally—if a game does something really dumb, i'll be first in line to point it out

but honestly, call me a fanboy, but the franchise (when taken as a whole) is technically flawless

the biggest flaws reside primarily in individual games that don't represent the whole of the franchise


 
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but honestly, call me a fanboy, but the franchise (when taken as a whole) is technically flawless

holy shit i'd never thought of that


 
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legend of zelda is perfect on a conceptual level in the same way as tetris. this is life changing.


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but honestly, call me a fanboy, but the franchise (when taken as a whole) is technically flawless
No. Not at all.


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legend of zelda is perfect on a conceptual level in the same way as tetris. this is life changing.
Tetris isn't perfect either.


 
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legend of zelda is perfect on a conceptual level in the same way as tetris. this is life changing.
Tetris isn't perfect either.

name a single flaw.


 
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but honestly, call me a fanboy, but the franchise (when taken as a whole) is technically flawless
No. Not at all.
it manages to do and succeed at everything it sets out to do

does it succeed at keeping you interested as a fan? no, but it's not trying to
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but honestly, call me a fanboy, but the franchise (when taken as a whole) is technically flawless
No. Not at all.
it does and succeeds at everything that it sets out to do
No it doesn't.


 
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but honestly, call me a fanboy, but the franchise (when taken as a whole) is technically flawless
No. Not at all.
it does and succeeds at everything that it sets out to do
No it doesn't.
fuck

you convinced me


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legend of zelda is perfect on a conceptual level in the same way as tetris. this is life changing.
Tetris isn't perfect either.

name a single flaw.
If a game isn't universally appealing to everyone, it isn't perfect.
I have always found Tetris boring.

Verb, consider this your answer too.


 
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legend of zelda is perfect on a conceptual level in the same way as tetris. this is life changing.
Tetris isn't perfect either.

name a single flaw.
If a game isn't universally appealing to everyone, it isn't perfect.
I have always found Tetris boring.

Verb, consider this your answer too.

i'm not even going to bother with why this is the most batshit fucking retarded thing i've ever read in my life


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legend of zelda is perfect on a conceptual level in the same way as tetris. this is life changing.
Tetris isn't perfect either.

name a single flaw.
If a game isn't universally appealing to everyone, it isn't perfect.
I have always found Tetris boring.

Verb, consider this your answer too.

i'm not even going to bother with why this is the most batshit fucking retarded thing i've ever read in my life
Since the quality of entertainment is subjective it can only be perfect if everyone likes it.

It's not a complicated idea.


 
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legend of zelda is perfect on a conceptual level in the same way as tetris. this is life changing.
Tetris isn't perfect either.

name a single flaw.
If a game isn't universally appealing to everyone, it isn't perfect.
I have always found Tetris boring.
"perfect" is a really, really loaded word, and i bet even you realize that

personally, i draw a distinction between perfection and flawlessness

a director intends to make a movie where he just films a soup bowl for ten seconds—and he does it

flawless movie? yes
does it appeal to everybody? no
perfect movie? define "perfect"


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Oh, sorry.

I forgot being boring isn't a fundamental flaw in entertainment.


 
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video games aren't entertainment


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video games aren't entertainment
i'm not even going to bother with why this is the most batshit fucking retarded thing i've ever read in my life


 
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Oh, sorry.

I forgot being boring isn't a fundamental flaw in entertainment.
i'm looking at zelda as an artistic oeuvre, not a piece of entertainment

sometimes art is boring, and not everyone is gonna like certain pieces of art

personally i find most zelda titles exhilarating and beautiful
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your disinterest in the franchise comes down to your personal taste, but your personal taste does not dictate whether something is "flawless" or not when you're trying to be objective

there are movies out there that i don't enjoy, but i'd have to concede that they are technically flawless regardless of my personal distaste

that doesn't mean they're perfect; it means that the director succeeded in everything that he attempted to do, and i can't argue with that—and i can tell you one thing: "pleasing everybody" is one thing that is NOT on any artist's agenda (or at least, any artist with an ounce of wisdom)
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Oh, sorry.

I forgot being boring isn't a fundamental flaw in entertainment.
i'm looking at zelda as an artistic oeuvre, not a piece of entertainment

sometimes art is boring, and not everyone is gonna like certain pieces of art

personally i find most zelda titles exhilarating and beautiful
When you market a piece of art as entertainment, you forfeit immunity to the "it's boring" argument.

I can watch indie films and be impressed by their artistic integrity, but when I see trailers, merchandise, and go to the box office to buy tickets, I expect to be entertained.

Zelda hasn't given me a lot of reason to keep playing since the N64.
Some people get by just fine with the new offerings.

Zelda presents (and sells) itself as a piece of entertainment, and so, if it wants to be known as perfect (or flawless) as a franchise, it's going to have to start being universally entertaining to everyone.

Which is impossible.

But that's okay, because people still like it, and it clearly has a lot going for it if they're still buying it after so many years.
There are a number of reasons why I (and others) stopped playing some time ago though, and as I said many posts ago, that's okay too.


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your disinterest in the franchise comes down to your personal taste, but your personal taste does not dictate whether something is "flawless" or not when you're trying to be objective

there are movies out there that i don't enjoy, but i'd have to concede that they are technically flawless regardless of my personal distaste

that doesn't mean they're perfect; it means that the director succeeded in everything that he attempted to do, and i can't argue with that—and i can tell you one thing: "pleasing everybody" is one thing that is NOT on any artist's agenda (or at least, any artist with an ounce of wisdom)
Being boring, or failing to grasp interest, is a flaw in all entertainment.

Stop pretending you can ever gauge media objectively.
And stop pretending video games are art.

They're interactive blockbuster movies more often than not just out to make a buck.


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