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At the end of the day, Halo isn't about the experience anymore. It's about the money. 343 isn't Bungie. They don't understand Bungie's vision for the original trilogy and they certainly don't understand why CE/2/3 were the greatest FPS games of this century. Bungie began to alienate the core fanbase in Reach, and 343 continued that with 4. 343 had a chance to bring it back. MCC was what Halo desperately needed. The original trilogy, remastered! Finally, some quality arena FPS after all these years, who cares if they're old games, we have Halo back! Nope... rushed development cycle led to horrendous functionality issues, and now they've killed what was left of their credibility. Halo 5 is gonna sell a bunch of copies and everyone is gonna be gone in less than 6 months. Halo is never going to be what it was in the halcyon days of H2 and H3. That's what happens when you forget the fans and pander to the big wigs.


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I hate that post. The guy literally has no idea what he's talking about.

He doesn't even know what the fuck game design is.


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I hate that post. The guy literally has no idea what he's talking about.

He doesn't even know what the fuck game design is.
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"You are young. I am old. I am dead."
At the end of the day, Halo isn't about the experience anymore. It's about the money. 343 isn't Bungie. They don't understand Bungie's vision for the original trilogy and they certainly don't understand why CE/2/3 were the greatest FPS games of this century.


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I hate that post. The guy literally has no idea what he's talking about.

He doesn't even know what the fuck game design is.
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No, I'm being serious. If he actually knew what game design was his criticisms would be practical and not fantastical.


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At the end of the day, Halo isn't about the experience anymore. It's about the money. 343 isn't Bungie. They don't understand Bungie's vision for the original trilogy and they certainly don't understand why CE/2/3 were the greatest FPS games of this century.

tell me, why do you think reach and halo 4 and mcc have been such horrific flops?


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Just some quick disagreements [I'm sure if I took more time I could break this wall down]. He has some good ideas, especially about sprint and deathcams, but

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It is always beneficial for you to scope in your weapon in Halo 5 as it decreases your bullet spread, making your shots more accurate.

Yeah. Kind of like a replacement red reticule range.

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and if the older Halo did one thing right, they made a player's weapons feel consistent.

HAHAHAHAAHAH

If you mean Halo CE, then yeah.

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Addendum on gunplay: Adding headshot damage to imprecise weapons like the AR and SMG was a stupid idea.

"I have never used the Halo CE Plasma Rifle"

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This messing around with aim that started in Halo: Reach and carried over to Halo 4 and Halo 5 needs to stop.

Bullet magnetism was present in CE, but contained to the reticule graphic.
Halo 2 went overboard.
Halo 3 would sometimes go overboard and at other times do nothing.

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Or did you mean to crouch as you jumped to lower your profile in the air while you were shot at?

Being fixed as we speak. If you want I can provide the tweet.

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Time-to-Kill is the latest buzzword circulating Halo forums

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latest

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People die too fast in Halo 5.

H5's precision weapon killtimes for perfect kills are about as fast as Halo 2's, and not near CE's. Autos are definitely faster, but they work well.

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Weapon redundancy.(The DMR and BR occupy the same niche for mid-range weapon. The SMG and AR occupy the same niche for short-range weapons.)

Problem since Halo 2. Weapons are going to be redundant because otherwise people start yelling about variety. The most we can ask for now is that each weapon is in itself useful, which seems to be what Halo 5 accomplishes.

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[paragraph about how Halo wasn't be fast paced]

Remind me why I'm still remotely serious with my response

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In Halo 5, taking out a secondary weapon in a gunfight is a death sentence.

Uh, weapon switch times for secondaries are quite fast. I haven't timed them but they seem much faster than other Halo games. Especially CE.

What rustles the ever living hell out of me is the way people claim some kind of superiority by taking in premises from previous Halo games in their arguments, when they fundamentally misunderstand [and are misinformed about] the original trilogy themselves.
Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 02:14:22 PM by GodspeedSnowjira!


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At the end of the day, Halo isn't about the experience anymore. It's about the money. 343 isn't Bungie. They don't understand Bungie's vision for the original trilogy and they certainly don't understand why CE/2/3 were the greatest FPS games of this century.

tell me, why do you think reach and halo 4 and mcc have been such horrific flops?
Halo 4 was a commercial success, and the MCC was as well. Halo 4 failed in keeping a large population because it tried to be something that it wasn't.

The MCC is currently having issues because it was a massive undertaking built by multiple companies across the globe that had to complete a task that had never been done before in time for a strict release date.


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It's fun and way better than H4


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What rustles the ever living hell out of me is the way people claim some kind of superiority by taking in premises from previous Halo games in their arguments, when they fundamentally misunderstand [and are misinformed about] the original trilogy themselves.
This.


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At the end of the day, Halo isn't about the experience anymore. It's about the money. 343 isn't Bungie. They don't understand Bungie's vision for the original trilogy and they certainly don't understand why CE/2/3 were the greatest FPS games of this century.

tell me, why do you think reach and halo 4 and mcc have been such horrific flops?
Halo 4 was a commercial success, and the MCC was as well. Halo 4 failed in keeping a large population because it tried to be something that it wasn't.

The MCC is currently having issues because it was a massive undertaking built by multiple companies across the globe that had to complete a task that had never been done before in time for a strict release date.
destiny was a commercial success as well, but that doesn't magically mean it isn't a giant piece of shit. what's really important is population statistics over time. reach sold well but the population dropped quickly and it was the last halo game on the MLG circuit (for good reason.) halo 4 sold well, and we all know how that ended. same with mcc. you proved my point here- this shit is happening because of interference from and pandering to the corporate bigwigs.
Last Edit: January 09, 2015, 02:04:23 PM by Azumarill


 
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destiny was a commercial success as well, but that doesn't magically mean it isn't a giant piece of shit.
Please don't strawman me. I'm getting quite sick of it.

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same with mcc
I didn't know that people are actively graphing the populations count of the MCC. You know, I'm surprised no one's sharing it considering that it was all the rage with Halo 4.

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you proved my point here- this shit is happening because of interference from and pandering to the corporate bigwigs.
And I proved that how? All I did was say that Halo 4 suffered from poor game design decisions, and the MCC was a huge, never before done, project handled across the globe. 


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There's no reasoning with these blind 343 fanboys. We'll see the truth come out in a year or so. More of the same, in all likelihood. Halo is a rotting corpse. We should let it rest in peace.


 
 
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It's the best one in the series. It feels fluid and fast paced, though I just wish they'd stop remaking shittymaps.


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It's funny because I'm really enjoying H5 mp more than H2 mp.


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Sprint and AA's are all forced.

The callouts are stupid. The power weapon timer eliminates an element of skill. 


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My main gripe with Halo 4 was that the maps sucked. I can get used to the new features it's just the maps man


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My main gripe with Halo 4 was that the maps sucked. I can get used to the new features it's just the maps man
I don't like how sprint stretches them out.


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
My main gripe with Halo 4 was that the maps sucked. I can get used to the new features it's just the maps man
I don't like how sprint stretches them out.
Me too, I try not to ever use sprint because it leaves you vulnerable so getting to places takes long.


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There's no reasoning with these blind 343 fanboys. We'll see the truth come out in a year or so. More of the same, in all likelihood. Halo is a rotting corpse. We should let it rest in peace.
>is me
>"blind 343 fanboys"
>Pointed out that Halo 4 suffered from poor game design which lead to low population
>Acknowledged that MCC has significant issues
>"Halo is a rotting corpse"



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To say that the Halo 5 MP is bad is just ignorant and silly

.It has barely any technical issues
.The beta is of supreme quality, especially when you contrast it with every other FPS from the last year
.It plays like a Halo game, no arguments
.The new abilities work, they don't feel like any other game's ideas
.The gametypes are superb, Breakout is brilliant; it's competitive, it's challenging, it's high-intensity and it's total fun
.Which is the key part here, H5 is FUN. Unlike Halo 4, like Halo 2, 3 and Reach finally Halo is a total joy to play again, whilst still being challenging


 
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.It plays like a Halo game, no arguments
But it doesn't.