Can I get a /quickrundown/ of what we currently know about US/UM?

- dusk form lycanroc
- new cap for pikachu

that's pretty much it

the lycanroc is a distribution exclusive and you'll only be able to get it by january 10 (same way munchlax worked, i guess)

Quote from: Verbatim on August 12, 2017, 02:03:44 PM

Quote from: Iberian Husky on August 12, 2017, 01:57:31 PM

Can I get a /quickrundown/ of what we currently know about US/UM?

- dusk form lycanroc
- new cap for pikachu

that's pretty much it

the lycanroc is a distribution exclusive and you'll only be able to get it by january 10 (same way munchlax worked, i guess)

Ah. Do we know if Dusk Lycanroc has any special abilities compared to its day and night counterparts?

It has Tough Claws and is described as a hybrid between the midday and midnight forms, movepool-wise.

where's CMD to say "IT'S FUCKING NOTHING"

because it really is fucking nothing this time

man, sun/moon's advertising had the problem of showing TOO MUCH shit, and now they're not showing absolutely anything

Foolish mortal. What gives you the right to summon me to this realm?

My interest hasn't been totally lost just yet.

S/M revealed too much, borderline spoiling the game, and I was getting a little salty about that.

The fact that they're not showing much either means that the game isn't worth getting, or it's REALLY worth getting. Idk.

Quote from: Onion on August 18, 2017, 04:08:17 PM

The last three games were nothing but disappointment.

B/W2 was their peak.

>Being legally allowed to have an opinion this shit

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He's right though. Pokemon has been getting progressively worse.

in second generation pokémon games, your rival in this game is notorious for being a huge prick, probably the worst in the franchise—not only does he hate the weak and love talking others down, there are several moments where he'll physically kick and shove you around just for being in his way—and, worst of all, he raises his pokémon with hatred and not love

but naturally, he does come to a point where he sees the error in his ways, and he starts becoming a better trainer and better overall person once you beat the game

one of his key pokémon that he uses throughout the playthrough is a golbat

golbat is the evolved form of zubat, and it can evolve further into a crobat, its final form—but only when its friendship stat is raised above a certain point (friendship is a hidden stat that goes up when the game thinks you're treating your pokémon "nicely," typically by walking around with it, winning battles, grooming it, giving it treats, etc)

and wouldn't you know it—as soon as your rival starts changing his ways, his golbat evolves into a crobat, showing that he really does care for his pokémon after all, d'aww

that's not something i noticed until several years after i beat the game for the first time, and the fact that they added that little touch that no one ever notices still makes me smile

that was originally going to be a thread with the subject "favorite 'little touches' in games" but then i realized i was only looking for an excuse to post that

i think it'd be a cool thread, maybe you should make it

but back to what you were saying, i feel like they should make another rival like 2nd gen's, i'm getting fairly tired of the buddy-buddy ones we've been getting since 4th gen and to an extent 3rd

the only one i can say something about is hugh and he's just okay

ohh right i forgot about him

it took me a minute to remember the friendly rival, and i couldn't even remember his name

i'd hate my pokemon too if i was forced to have a golbat on my team

So, in preparation for Gold/Silver's rerelease, I've just been going over all of my favorites to see which Pokémon I'd like to use this time around (despite the fact that I'm nuzlocking, and I only have a slim chance of catching everything I want).

Turns out, this generation doesn't want me to have any of my favorite Pokémon.

We'll start off light. Ledian is one of my favorite Bug-types, despite being one of the weakest Pokémon of all time. Ledyba can only be found in the morning, though, so if I want to use one in this nuzlocke, I'll have to set my alarm clock. It's the only Pokémon in the game that is exclusively available in the morning.

I've never used a Smeargle, and I've never actually seen one in Silver before, so I thought about using that. Turns out, it's a 10% encounter on the outside of the Ruins of Alph, which isn't accessible until the late game, if I recall correctly. This one isn't SO bad, but if I want it in a nuzlocke, I'll have to use some Repels—and even then, I'll likely just end up with a Natu instead. Still better than Unown, at least.

Steelix, Scizor, Politoed, Slowking, and Kingdra are all AWESOME Pokémon that I'd love to use, and I cannot use any of them, because they all involve trades. Not just trades, but trades with obnoxiously rare items attached. Every single one of them—even Porygon2, who evolves from my favorite Pokémon of all time.

Sneasel and Misdreavus are only available after you beat the Elite 4.

Ariados, Ursaring, Gligar, and Mantine are all varying degrees of cool/interesting, but they're all exclusive to Gold (I'm playing Silver). It's okay, though—Silver has better exclusives anyway (like Skarmory).

Not only is Celebi unobtainable, it has NEVER been obtainable in this generation's entire fucking history—unless you lived in Japan. They literally never had a Celebi distribution event for this game in the west. You can still get it by doing this really bizarre glitch involving the daycare, but fuck. The things we had to resort to just to get our hands on this fucking thing, which is one of my favorite legendaries, if not my most favorite.

And then there's Pineco and Heracross. Hoo boy. It's probably common knowledge that these two Pokémon only appear when you headbutt trees, which was always a pretty funny and cool mechanic on its own—but I've never actually delved into how the mechanic works until just recently.

There are two kinds of headbuttable trees—"forest" trees and "mountain" trees. You can find the Caterpie family, Weedle family, Exeggcute, or Pineco in a "forest" tree, and you can find Spearow, Aipom, or Heracross in a "mountain" tree. Sounds simple enough, but there's more to it. I'll try to explain it as best as I can.

Both of these groups of trees, forest and mountain, are split into two subgroups—"moderate-encounter" (ME) and "low-encounter" (LE). Whether you're able to find a Pineco or Heracross in any given tree depends on which subgroup the tree belongs to. The trees are randomly generated and placed based on your trainer ID, so they're always arranged and set differently when you start a new game. And to top it all off, they are visually indistinguishable from each other, and they may not even appear on certain routes at all.

The only way to "tell" which trees are MEs or LEs is by testing it yourself. An ME tree will produce a lot of Pokémon, and an LE tree will produce fewer. In Gold/Silver, Pineco and Heracross will only appear in LE trees—but in Crystal, for whatever reason, they only appear in MEs.

Once you find yourself a good tree, you have a 30% chance of encountering a Heracross or Pineco, depending on whether you searched in a forest/mountain area—which, by the way, also varies depending on whether you're playing Crystal. Azalea Town, for example, is considered a "forest" area in Gold/Silver, but a "mountain" area in Crystal.

These all seem to be recent developments, too. No one was sure how any of this shit worked until very recently. There have been Prima strategy guides written for these games, telling kids that they have a 30% chance of finding a Heracross by headbutting trees, leading them all to headbutting the wrong trees about 2000 times before realizing they've been had.

So yeah, I guess I can kiss my odds of using a Heracross in this playthrough goodbye—or almost any of my favorites, for that matter. Just my luck, I suppose. Rare Pokémon have always been a cool and exciting mechanic, and I'm not opposed to it, but it just sucks to know that there's so many great Pokémon that I straight-up cannot get for the absolute silliest fucking reasons. And I haven't even got into the first-gen Pokémon.

At least I can reliably get Typhlosion, Crobat, and Ampharos—and maybe if I end up with something lame like Aipom, I might grow to appreciate it. That's the magic of nuzlockes, after all.

- necrozma now fuses with solgaleo and lunala (surprise surprise), forming Dusk Mane Necrozma and Dawn Wings Necrozma ("a brand new showdown awaits")
- new map areas—a "beach where surfers gather," a "valley of pikachu," and "other facilities"
- main characters have "stylish new looks" and more clothing items and "other surprises" to look for
- the way you get your starter is "different" now
- dusk form lycanroc bla bla bla we already knew about this
- downloading the digital version before jan 10 gets you 12 free quick balls... yay?
- downloading pokémon gold/silver on VC will allow you to get celebi in any gen 7 game
- two new ultra beasts—"UB Burst" (exclusive to ultra sun) and "UB Assembly" (exclusive to ultra moon)

kind of a disappointment, i needed more info than this

it also seems confirmed that these aren't sequels