I take them seriously in the sense that I want for them to be taken seriously--I don't want people to view it as a joke. I think it would be nice if video games had an equivalent to the Oscars or the Palme d'Or, where the art is taken seriously and we can truly assess each and every one of gaming's greatest/most important achievements of the year and celebrate them.

You know, instead of circlejerking over what the most popular games are.

The fact that we can't is what I'd consider a problem worth fixing and, yeah, complaining about. Taking seriously.

I take them seriously in the sense that I want for them to be taken seriously--I don't want people to view it as a joke. I think it would be nice if video games had an equivalent to the Oscars or the Palme d'Or, where the art is taken seriously and we can truly assess each and every one of gaming's greatest/most important achievements of the year and celebrate them.

You know, instead of circlejerking over what the most popular games are.

The fact that we can't is what I'd consider a problem worth fixing and, yeah, complaining about. Taking seriously.

The issue is that even the Oscars are biased toward popularity. Just being nominated is a matter of wooing the electors through gifts and flattery, much less winning.

That's not to say that the winner is the one who paid the most, but there aren't many forms of media that have a completely objective reward show. And honestly, I don't think there ever will be. Art tenda toward subjectivity, so there's no hard and fast "best game".

Other than Tetris, of course.

Quote from: 「Prime」 on December 04, 2016, 12:36:12 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 03, 2016, 12:56:08 PM

I take them seriously in the sense that I want for them to be taken seriously--I don't want people to view it as a joke. I think it would be nice if video games had an equivalent to the Oscars or the Palme d'Or, where the art is taken seriously and we can truly assess each and every one of gaming's greatest/most important achievements of the year and celebrate them.

You know, instead of circlejerking over what the most popular games are.

The fact that we can't is what I'd consider a problem worth fixing and, yeah, complaining about. Taking seriously.

The issue is that even the Oscars are biased toward popularity. Just being nominated is a matter of wooing the electors through gifts and flattery, much less winning.

That's not to say that the winner is the one who paid the most, but there aren't many forms of media that have a completely objective reward show. And honestly, I don't think there ever will be. Art tenda toward subjectivity, so there's no hard and fast "best game".

Other than Tetris, of course.

I think there are objective things a game can be judged on. After all its a bunch of 1s and 0s and while stuff like looks and story will always be in the eyes of thr beholder I think the beautiful thing about gaming is that there are mechanics and tech and things we can objectively judge a game on.

It can be rated as a product, yes, if that's what you mean.

Take a game like Skyrim; was it pretty for the time, or even now? Yeah, it's a pretty good looking game. Are its questlines and combat up to snuff? I'd argue not. Even still, many would argue that its many accolades were well earned. I'm not aiming to defame the game, but the point is that the only time people care about the tech is when they want something to blame or it's all the game has (MGSV is a good example).

At the end of the day we all know Blood and Wine was robbed of GOTY. Uncharted 4 was great. Heck it might be the best game of this year. And to the dude earlier in this thread. Uncharted 2 is, objectively, the best Uncharted. Also. I did miss the big set pieces too. But thank Neil for that. He wanted it to be more grounded and less over the top. Bruce isn't on TLOU 2 either so Neil will probably go full dark mode like he tried in the original.

dlc winning goty is a joke bro

The joke is that an expansion puts full games to shame.

That it is.