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It doesn't matter if you're paying $60 for Halo 5 without Forge, because it will be released later. They're not charging you. Do you not see how dumb that sounds? Make me pay $40 for the game, and $20 for Forge when you could buy the game for $60 and get Forge for free a few months later.

"We already have their money, why would we need to put effort into forge?"

It's called incentive. Educate yourself.
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Their incentive is that they announced it and said it will release in December.


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Money now is worth more than money later, and devs are trying to pretend like that's not true.


 
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"Why pay for content that I'm not getting when I buy it?"


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You people are fucking stupid, tbh
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"Why pay for content that I'm not getting when I buy it?"
Well that's not what I'm saying so


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You people are fucking stupid, tbh
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"Why pay for content that I'm not getting when I buy it?"
we are getting it
His point is you're paying for something that isn't coming with the game. You will get it, eventually, but not when you pay for the game. Not that it matter. It will be added to the game later. No extra charge. Who freaking cares? Really getting tired of these people going around like they're enlightened telling people to wake up and that the gaming industry is satan. Go back to Info Wars you fggts.


 
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"Why pay for content that I'm not getting when I buy it?"
we are getting it

Holy shit Lemon. Can you really not understand what I said?


 
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Well that's not what I'm saying so

Then what are you saying?


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"Why pay for content that I'm not getting when I buy it?"
we are getting it
His point is you're paying for something that isn't coming with the game. You will get it, eventually, but not when you pay for the game. Not that it matter. It will be added to the game later. No extra charge. Who freaking cares? Really getting tired of these people going around like they're enlightened telling people to wake up and that the gaming industry is satan. Go back to Info Wars you fggts.
A generation of overly critical and entitled gamers is being born.

Shitty practices should be frowned on but this is just nitpicky


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Well that's not what I'm saying so

Then what are you saying?
I'm saying stop being a lil bitch. You have to wait a month to use a secondary feature. Cry me a river. If delaying it means it will work who cares.


 
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Shitty practices should be frowned on but this is just nitpicky

"It's Halo so we let it slide."

No. Fuck that. I'm sure the new Forge will be the best its ever been -- butt this is a SHITTY practice that needs to be nipped in the but ASAP. Look how long GTAV took to get their online mode out -- imagine how much quicker it would have been if we only paid $20 for online when it was finished.

I resent the argument that it's nitpicky. Because it isn't. It's a lot less of a problem then EA's $50 Season Pass, but still a problem nonetheless.
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Shitty practices should be frowned on but this is just nitpicky

"It's Halo so we let it slide."

No. Fuck that. I'm sure the new Forge will be the best its ever been -- but this is a SHITTY practice that needs to be nipped in the but ASAP. Look how long GTAV took to get their online mode out -- imagine how much quicker it would have been if we only paid $20 for online when it was finished.

I resent the argument that it's nitpicky. Because it isn't. It's a lot less of a problem then EA's $50 Season Pass, but still a problem nonetheless.
So you would prefer having to pay for forge. You would prefer completely splintering the community?


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imagine how much quicker it would have been if we only paid $20 for online when it was finished.
So the same amount of time?


 
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I'm saying stop being a lil bitch. You have to wait a month to use a secondary feature. Cry me a river. If delaying it means it will work who cares.

I don't give a dusty FUCK about Forge -- I won't even play it.

But it's the fucking principle that matters. I'd rather the whole game be delayed so that what I'm spending my $60 on is there as soon as I buy it.

If you give 343i your money for a full product whilst only getting a fraction of it, that removes the incentive for them to make Forge good. Even if they're delaying it specifically to make it good; if they have your money already, the need to improve forge isn't there. It's cheaper for them to do as little as possible than go all-out.


 
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So the same amount of time?

Hahaha, you sure got me. Don't know how I'll ever recover from that devastatingly clever retort.


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You people are fucking stupid, tbh
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"Why pay for content that I'm not getting when I buy it?"
we are getting it
His point is you're paying for something that isn't coming with the game. You will get it, eventually, but not when you pay for the game. Not that it matter. It will be added to the game later. No extra charge. Who freaking cares? Really getting tired of these people going around like they're enlightened telling people to wake up and that the gaming industry is satan. Go back to Info Wars you fggts.
A generation of overly critical and entitled gamers is being born.

Shitty practices should be frowned on but this is just nitpicky
Agreed. Let's talk about supposed "cut content" A lot of people believe all DLC for any game is cut content. Once the cut content train on Destiny got rolling, even more people talk about it now. The fact is, most gamers don't know how game development works, and definitely don't know the situation for each individual studio. Let's talk Destiny. For whatever reason(Activision is Satan is usually the scapegoat), the story was changed, substantially, so much so that it resulted in a year delay. It's highly like entire gameplay systems were removed, and even more likely locations were removed. Why did it happen? Who knows... After that, several people left, like Joe Staten. With less than a year to polish up the game and salvage what they can, it's no surprise the game came out the way it did. Like other companies, Bungie started work on DLC and the sequel before the original game even came out. There were areas within the game, that were mostly empty, but you could get into it. With how the content worked, using empty areas for a mission with a few recorded lines of dialogue would make development much easier. The fact that people could get into those areas before the DLC came out, led people to think that it was cut content. Nevermind the fact that the areas changed after the update. And for some reason, people seem to believe they just unlocked with that 9MB file on the PS or Xbox Store. But don't pay attention to the 8GB update beforehand on TBD and HoW, and the 18GB update on TTK.

Wether or not the content is worth it is an entirely different story. But it wasn't cut. That's for sure. Add to the fact that the database had pretty much nothing in it, until after the updates, well, there you go.

Arkham Knight. A lot of people were mad at the $40 season pass, even though it's cheaper than a lot of others. And also, just assume, cut content. But again, don't take into consideration that the DLC was in development before original launch, and some of the DLC is even outsourced to other companies to make.

I try explaining this to so many people, but it falls on deaf ears. Gotta love how I'm called blind and they think they're so smart.


 
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So you would prefer having to pay for forge.

I am already paying for Forge -- $60.

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You would prefer completely splintering the community?

Sure. I don't care about the community. The best option is still to delay the entire game, but that's not profitable, so it won't happen.

But that's not the point. What I do care about is getting what I pay for. And I'm not with Halo 5.


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If you give 343i your money for a full product whilst only getting a fraction of it, that removes the incentive for them to make Forge good. Even if they're delaying it specifically to make it good; if they have your money already, the need to improve forge isn't there. It's cheaper for them to do as little as possible than go all-out.
This argument is so dumb.

If they want the fanbase to not drop the game and for them to buy their products in the future, they have to follow up.

There's always an incentive, even if devs are dumb enough to not follow up.


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So the same amount of time?

Hahaha, you sure got me. Don't know how I'll ever recover from that devastatingly clever retort.
Damn. Solid refutation.


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You people are fucking stupid, tbh
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"Why pay for content that I'm not getting when I buy it?"
we are getting it
His point is you're paying for something that isn't coming with the game. You will get it, eventually, but not when you pay for the game. Not that it matter. It will be added to the game later. No extra charge. Who freaking cares? Really getting tired of these people going around like they're enlightened telling people to wake up and that the gaming industry is satan. Go back to Info Wars you fggts.

Ok let's just have 343 ship Halo 5 with a broken forge so he can bitch about it anyway,

Or better yet delay the game to ship it with a working  Forge mode so he can still make a 40 minute long sermon about how the delay makes 343 an incompitent team and that because a couple of pixels on the inside a random forge piece are discolored that it means Halo 5 is dead and 343 have destroyed Halo because of it.
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that the DLC was in development before original launch, and some of the DLC is even outsourced to other companies to make.

If the DLC is being worked on pre-launch, it's cut content. I don't care about your opinion on the matter -- you're wrong.

Everything that is planned to be in the game, should be in the game. DLC is only ever acceptable when it's created after launch.

And say what you want about Destiny's DLC, but the game was meant to be released a year prior than it was. The ONLY reason it wasn't was because of Marty, and such, the game underwent massive reivisions. Most, if not all, of the DLC content before and including TTK was either recycled or reimagined for the revised product.


 
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Damn. Solid refutation.

I learned from the best.


 
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This argument is so dumb.

If they want the fanbase to not drop the game and for them to buy their products in the future, they have to follow up.

Obviously not true, given the fact that people said the same shit about Halo 4.

"Man, this game sucks. I'm done with Halo."

Halo 5 trailer comes out.

"Man that shit looks sick! Last chance, 343..."

Let's not pretend Halo isn't going to sell like hotcakes even if H5 sucks.


 
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Or better yet delay the game to ship it with a working  Forge mode so he can still make a 40 minute long sermon about how the delay makes 343 an incompitent team and that because a couple of pixels on the inside a random forge piece are discolored that it means Halo 5 is dead and 343 have destroyed Halo because of it.

I don't care about Halo -- that alone makes me public enemy number to you fanboys. If 343i delayed the game, I would seemingly have nothing to complain about given that I approve of everything else they're doing.

This is literally the first time I've talked about anything Halo in weeks.


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"Why pay for content that I'm not getting when I buy it?"
we are getting it
His point is you're paying for something that isn't coming with the game. You will get it, eventually, but not when you pay for the game. Not that it matter. It will be added to the game later. No extra charge. Who freaking cares? Really getting tired of these people going around like they're enlightened telling people to wake up and that the gaming industry is satan. Go back to Info Wars you fggts.
A generation of overly critical and entitled gamers is being born.

Shitty practices should be frowned on but this is just nitpicky
Agreed. Let's talk about supposed "cut content" A lot of people believe all DLC for any game is cut content. Once the cut content train on Destiny got rolling, even more people talk about it now. The fact is, most gamers don't know how game development works, and definitely don't know the situation for each individual studio. Let's talk Destiny. For whatever reason(Activision is Satan is usually the scapegoat), the story was changed, substantially, so much so that it resulted in a year delay. It's highly like entire gameplay systems were removed, and even more likely locations were removed. Why did it happen? Who knows... After that, several people left, like Joe Staten. With less than a year to polish up the game and salvage what they can, it's no surprise the game came out the way it did. Like other companies, Bungie started work on DLC and the sequel before the original game even came out. There were areas within the game, that were mostly empty, but you could get into it. With how the content worked, using empty areas for a mission with a few recorded lines of dialogue would make development much easier. The fact that people could get into those areas before the DLC came out, led people to think that it was cut content. Nevermind the fact that the areas changed after the update. And for some reason, people seem to believe they just unlocked with that 9MB file on the PS or Xbox Store. But don't pay attention to the 8GB update beforehand on TBD and HoW, and the 18GB update on TTK.

Wether or not the content is worth it is an entirely different story. But it wasn't cut. That's for sure. Add to the fact that the database had pretty much nothing in it, until after the updates, well, there you go.

Arkham Knight. A lot of people were mad at the $40 season pass, even though it's cheaper than a lot of others. And also, just assume, cut content. But again, don't take into consideration that the DLC was in development before original launch, and some of the DLC is even outsourced to other companies to make.

I try explaining this to so many people, but it falls on deaf ears. Gotta love how I'm called blind and they think they're so smart.

Woah dude. Content was most certainly cut from Destiny and then reworked into DLC. Shit from as far as The Taken King was there before release. You could see Saturn, the Citadel and the Vestian Outpost in the development videos, playable a year before release, Kings Watch and Seraphim Vault were accessible in the Alpha. The Dreadnaught was in some of the earliest concept art. And let's not forget about Old Chicago. Something tells me we will be seeing that sooner or later too.


 
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Woah dude. Content was most certainly cut from Destiny and then reworked into DLC. Shit from as far as The Taken King was there before release. You could see Saturn, the Citadel and the Vestian Outpost in the development videos, playable a year before release, Kings Watch and Seraphim Vault were accessible in the Alpha. The Dreadnaught was in some of the earliest concept art. And let's not forget about Old Chicago. Something tells me we will be seeing that sooner or later too.

He's a corporate shill that doesn't want to feel guilty for enjoying Destiny. You're not going to get through to him


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I Said in my post that the game was delayed. I know this. Content developed before launch doesn't mean cut content. It's a different team with the complete intention of developing content that comes after the game while the rest of the developers work on the original game. And at a certain point you can't really add anymore to a game. You have to stop and send it off to be finished.

All that stuff like The Reef and Saturn in Destiny served an entirely different propose. It was cut content. As in its gone. It's obvious they reworked it, or as you said. Reimagined it. But they didn't cut it t sell to you.

Like go look at the Vestian Outpost in that reveal video. Completely different. Same thing as The Citadel. Completely changed after the HoW update.

And Prehistoric. Maybe you should quit being paranoid and take off the tin foil.