OFFICIAL Changes Made to Halo 5 Based on the Beta

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Wow. Some fanbase I chose to be a part of.

I wish I could just be playing Custom Games on Reach again instead of this....
Then why aren't you?
Because no one plays Reach anymore.
For somebody not wanting to make stupid assumptions, you sure are contradicting yourself.
Of course I am singled out for making an obvious exaggeration. One that the vast majority of people here on this site, and elsewhere have made about any game that has a very low population.

If you find my exaggeration unsatisfactory, let me know, and I'll be happy to edit it.
You always get anal and finnicky about details and exact statements, so why are you surprised when it happens to you?

People still play Reach. There were gamenights Saturday-Monday happening on B.net just this last week.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
I agree with PSU, the percentage of people who don't want sprint is definitely more than that.

It's still a minority but it's more than 11%. I'd wager 20-35%.
Based on polls that have been conducted on other websites that aren't competitive in purpose, and the majority of the user bases aren't highly competitive either, it's actually a majority.

Arguably, many of that majority might believe it for inaccurate or inane reasons, but that's another story.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.

They are idiotic because they agree with your opinion?

They are idiotic because they are casuals.
But they don't want Sprint, and they cry for classic Halo gameplay. So how are they casual again?

Because they request things such as 32v32 BTB.
How is BTB a bad thing again? It doens't even concern what you like about Halo.

All I see you saying is that they're idiotic because they're different than you.

Nothing is bad about BTB, I actually play 90% of my games in BTB.

But trying to get halo 32v32 is a joke.
wut

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You realize that BTB for Halo is casual in nature right?

Like, it's the most casual thing about Halo's MP.

BTB.net brotha.

Competitive BTB is where its at. Its easily the most fun I've ever had playing Halo.
http://btb.net/

Riiiiiiiigggghhhhhhht....

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Let me get this straight. Your primary method of fun on Halo is in BTB on BTB.net's Tournaments and gamedays. If sprint is now toggleable, you'll never have to deal with it again because you're operating primarily in BTB.

And then its completely different from the vanilla BTB playlist. So people are less likely to watch BTB.net tournaments.
Who the shit cares who's watching the tournaments if you're the one playing and having fun? If Sprint is so widely regarded as being detrimental to Halo, then why do people want it in custom tournaments where they now have the ability to change that shit?

I care and the competitive community all cares.

We want tournament settings to be as close as possible to the vanilla matchmaking settings. Ex: LoL and Cod.
So then fucking play with Sprint if it's in the game! If the competitive community refuses to edit it out even if it takes a huge shit on the game, why are you even in that community?


Because the Competitiveโ„ข community feels they need to dictate how everyone else should have fun.
Nah, it's because it makes it easier for the main audience of the game to relate to the competitive settings, and thus for more people to get into it and support it. Case in point, when I was younger playing Halo 3 I adamantly avoided the MLG playlist because I thought it would just be BRs and 1, maybe 2, power weapons and that would be it. Magnify those differences more into sprint/no-sprint, etc. and it's going to be a lot harder for people to get into competitive, even if they aren't ignorant of what it's really like.


 
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I agree with PSU, the percentage of people who don't want sprint is definitely more than that.

It's still a minority but it's more than 11%. I'd wager 20-35%.
Based on polls that have been conducted on other websites that aren't competitive in purpose, and the majority of the user bases aren't highly competitive either, it's actually a majority.

Arguably, many of that majority might believe it for inaccurate or inane reasons, but that's another story.

So, you're agreeing with me, then?

I understand why they can't just take sprint out of Halo 5 now (maps created to cater to the speed of sprint, yadayada) but if they had started out with no sprint and kept it that way, no one would have complained.

The hardcore fanbase is the most vocal. And they're the ones with the problem. If sprint isn't in the game, no casual gamer that voted "yes" to sprint is going to give a fuck. They're just playing Halo because marketing and hype. They'll leave when the next CoD or Battlefield comes out, regardless of whether or not Halo has sprint. At least you make your hardcore fans happy by taking it out.

Edit: I originally said "keeping it in" at the end but that doesn't make sense.
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Wow. Some fanbase I chose to be a part of.

I wish I could just be playing Custom Games on Reach again instead of this....
Then why aren't you?
Because no one plays Reach anymore.
For somebody not wanting to make stupid assumptions, you sure are contradicting yourself.
Of course I am singled out for making an obvious exaggeration. One that the vast majority of people here on this site, and elsewhere have made about any game that has a very low population.

If you find my exaggeration unsatisfactory, let me know, and I'll be happy to edit it.
You always get anal and finnicky about details and exact statements, so why are you surprised when it happens to you?

People still play Reach. There were gamenights Saturday-Monday happening on B.net just this last week.
A humane flaw I have. One that I know about and a occasionally "let happen". Which is why I have given you the option to request edit of that post if you find it unsatisfactory.

I do that to reconcile the error I have made. So, do you want the post to be edited?


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Wow. Some fanbase I chose to be a part of.

I wish I could just be playing Custom Games on Reach again instead of this....
Then why aren't you?
Because no one plays Reach anymore.
For somebody not wanting to make stupid assumptions, you sure are contradicting yourself.
Of course I am singled out for making an obvious exaggeration. One that the vast majority of people here on this site, and elsewhere have made about any game that has a very low population.

If you find my exaggeration unsatisfactory, let me know, and I'll be happy to edit it.
You always get anal and finnicky about details and exact statements, so why are you surprised when it happens to you?

People still play Reach. There were gamenights Saturday-Monday happening on B.net just this last week.
A humane flaw I have. One that I know about and a occasionally "let happen". Which is why I have given you the option to request edit of that post if you find it unsatisfactory.

I do that to reconcile the error I have made. So, do you want the post to be edited?
I don't really care, but out of principle I'd say don't erase things just because it was a mistake.


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Wow. Some fanbase I chose to be a part of.

I wish I could just be playing Custom Games on Reach again instead of this....
Then why aren't you?
Because no one plays Reach anymore.
For somebody not wanting to make stupid assumptions, you sure are contradicting yourself.
Of course I am singled out for making an obvious exaggeration. One that the vast majority of people here on this site, and elsewhere have made about any game that has a very low population.

If you find my exaggeration unsatisfactory, let me know, and I'll be happy to edit it.
You always get anal and finnicky about details and exact statements, so why are you surprised when it happens to you?

People still play Reach. There were gamenights Saturday-Monday happening on B.net just this last week.
A humane flaw I have. One that I know about and a occasionally "let happen". Which is why I have given you the option to request edit of that post if you find it unsatisfactory.

I do that to reconcile the error I have made. So, do you want the post to be edited?
I don't really care, but out of principle I'd say don't erase things just because it was a mistake.
I'm not saying I'll erase it. What I mean is that if you have a problem with the generalization I made, I can specify the statement further.

By the way, have you noticed that we seem to have difficulty parsing each other's sentences and meanings?


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Wow. Some fanbase I chose to be a part of.

I wish I could just be playing Custom Games on Reach again instead of this....
Then why aren't you?
Because no one plays Reach anymore.
For somebody not wanting to make stupid assumptions, you sure are contradicting yourself.
Of course I am singled out for making an obvious exaggeration. One that the vast majority of people here on this site, and elsewhere have made about any game that has a very low population.

If you find my exaggeration unsatisfactory, let me know, and I'll be happy to edit it.
You always get anal and finnicky about details and exact statements, so why are you surprised when it happens to you?

People still play Reach. There were gamenights Saturday-Monday happening on B.net just this last week.
A humane flaw I have. One that I know about and a occasionally "let happen". Which is why I have given you the option to request edit of that post if you find it unsatisfactory.

I do that to reconcile the error I have made. So, do you want the post to be edited?
I don't really care, but out of principle I'd say don't erase things just because it was a mistake.
I'm not saying I'll erase it. What I mean is that if you have a problem with the generalization I made, I can specify the statement further.

By the way, have you noticed that we seem to have difficulty parsing each other's sentences and meanings?
Probably because I have a habit of sometimes sucking dick at wording things in a way that is understandable to other people.


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Wow. Some fanbase I chose to be a part of.

I wish I could just be playing Custom Games on Reach again instead of this....
Then why aren't you?
Because no one plays Reach anymore.
For somebody not wanting to make stupid assumptions, you sure are contradicting yourself.
Of course I am singled out for making an obvious exaggeration. One that the vast majority of people here on this site, and elsewhere have made about any game that has a very low population.

If you find my exaggeration unsatisfactory, let me know, and I'll be happy to edit it.
You always get anal and finnicky about details and exact statements, so why are you surprised when it happens to you?

People still play Reach. There were gamenights Saturday-Monday happening on B.net just this last week.
A humane flaw I have. One that I know about and a occasionally "let happen". Which is why I have given you the option to request edit of that post if you find it unsatisfactory.

I do that to reconcile the error I have made. So, do you want the post to be edited?
I don't really care, but out of principle I'd say don't erase things just because it was a mistake.
I'm not saying I'll erase it. What I mean is that if you have a problem with the generalization I made, I can specify the statement further.

By the way, have you noticed that we seem to have difficulty parsing each other's sentences and meanings?
Probably because I have a habit of sometimes sucking dick at wording things in a way that is understandable to other people.
A real shame. So much friction between us could be easily avoidable. Of course, I'm not putting the blame on you, I am also guilty of doing that.


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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Wow. Some fanbase I chose to be a part of.

I wish I could just be playing Custom Games on Reach again instead of this....
Then why aren't you?
Because no one plays Reach anymore.
For somebody not wanting to make stupid assumptions, you sure are contradicting yourself.
Of course I am singled out for making an obvious exaggeration. One that the vast majority of people here on this site, and elsewhere have made about any game that has a very low population.

If you find my exaggeration unsatisfactory, let me know, and I'll be happy to edit it.
You always get anal and finnicky about details and exact statements, so why are you surprised when it happens to you?

People still play Reach. There were gamenights Saturday-Monday happening on B.net just this last week.
A humane flaw I have. One that I know about and a occasionally "let happen". Which is why I have given you the option to request edit of that post if you find it unsatisfactory.

I do that to reconcile the error I have made. So, do you want the post to be edited?
I don't really care, but out of principle I'd say don't erase things just because it was a mistake.
I'm not saying I'll erase it. What I mean is that if you have a problem with the generalization I made, I can specify the statement further.

By the way, have you noticed that we seem to have difficulty parsing each other's sentences and meanings?
Probably because I have a habit of sometimes sucking dick at wording things in a way that is understandable to other people.
A real shame. So much friction between us could be easily avoidable. Of course, I'm not putting the blame on you, I am also guilty of doing that.
Eh, it is what it is.


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No, the competitive community wants their settings close to vanilla so we can grow our viewers and community.

Sprint is terrible. All you clowns are defending it but you can't give me any reasons why it should be in the game. Go ahead give me some reasons.


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Nice try, PSU. But the only clown here is yourself.


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Thanks for your valuable point! Let me know when you actually have a decent retort.


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Because you people can't.


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People didn't like sprint previously because it turned the game into a case of "chase your enemy around the map". It isn't like that in Halo 5. It's merely a way of traversing the map quickly, the whole shield connection thing makes it useless as an escape tool. There's really no problem with it in Halo 5, 343i have implemented it very well.

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Don't need to =/= can't

You don't get to dictate what people like.


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>Sprint is togleable
>People still bitching
>Halo "Fanbase"
#AlwaysAngryAllTheTime

Yep because we are being blatantly lied to and 343 won't swallow their pride.

Give me a few good reasons why sprint is good for halo.

I gotta go to walmart, but when I get back I'll easily refute every point anyone makes.

I enjoy it more.



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People didn't like sprint previously because it turned the game into a case of "chase your enemy around the map". It isn't like that in Halo 5. It's merely a way of traversing the map quickly, the whole shield connection thing makes it useless as an escape tool. There's really no problem with it in Halo 5, 343i have implemented it very well.

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If you have to nerf something into oblivion just to have it semi-tolerable, there is no reason to have it at all.

We all know the only reason it was added was to try and appeal to the COD crowd.


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>Sprint is togleable
>People still bitching
>Halo "Fanbase"
#AlwaysAngryAllTheTime

Yep because we are being blatantly lied to and 343 won't swallow their pride.

Give me a few good reasons why sprint is good for halo.

I gotta go to walmart, but when I get back I'll easily refute every point anyone makes.

I enjoy it more.

You enjoy Halo reach and 4 more than ce-3?

I mean thats you're opinion and you're entitled to it, but you're the minority.


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>Sprint is togleable
>People still bitching
>Halo "Fanbase"
#AlwaysAngryAllTheTime

Yep because we are being blatantly lied to and 343 won't swallow their pride.

Give me a few good reasons why sprint is good for halo.

I gotta go to walmart, but when I get back I'll easily refute every point anyone makes.

I enjoy it more.

You enjoy Halo reach and 4 more than ce-3?

I mean thats you're opinion and you're entitled to it, but you're the minority.

Yeah. I've not played enought (any) CE Because its never vote for but I'm not overly keen on 2-3. R/4 weren't really my strong suits either, I just played a lot with a party. I loved H5 though, I can't wait to see what they have planned for te big team stuff.

Off topic, but what's your opinion on the communities that solely care for the campaigns story or the customs? Like, I've seen many people who think that campaign and/ or forge should be removed entirely; but I can't really tell with you :3
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Off topic, but what's your opinion on the communities that solely care for the campaigns story or the customs? Like, I've seen many people who think that campaign and/ or forge should be removed entirely; but I can't really tell with you :3

Nothing wrong with campaign communities. In fact, if they wanted sprint, I would be happy and hope they got it.

As for forge. I'm on the fence. Its a very useful tool, but it seems like developer made maps have gone very downhill since forge was included in game.


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Off topic, but what's your opinion on the communities that solely care for the campaigns story or the customs? Like, I've seen many people who think that campaign and/ or forge should be removed entirely; but I can't really tell with you :3

Nothing wrong with campaign communities. In fact, if they wanted sprint, I would be happy and hope they got it.

As for forge. I'm on the fence. Its a very useful tool, but it seems like developer made maps have gone very downhill since forge was included in game.

Yeah. I hope that some o the better forgers make some maps based around no sprint, for the MLG playlist or whatever.

Personally, I love being able to jut fuck around and make cool looking stuff. But I'm a whore for map editors on anything so...

Speaking of sprint an spartan abilities, I feel like a 4v4 beta wasn't enough to really show off their potential in the game. I would love a BTB map with a fuck tonne of skyscrapers or something that you can really use the ground point and thruster on, almost like Mirrors Edge or something. That would be sweet.


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Love all the changes.  Glad to see the AR got nerfed in smart scope: that was crazy magnetism.  Plus, the SPNKr and crouch jumping is back, the game will (hopefully) be less dudebro, and quickscoping should hopefully not have a few frame animation where you sway a giant box in front of the screen.

To be fair with PSU: how many people who've hated Halo since Reach, over mechanics like sprint, do you think still bought an Xbone, the MCC, played the beta, and signed up for Halo surveys?  That's a pretty narrow selection pool, considering the fact that it assumes the average person participates on Waypoint or opens their emails from 343.

Same thing happened with arguments all over Reach and H4 forums: the "vocal minority" over lots of issues would be considerably bigger if you include the people with those opinions who decided to give up on the franchise and not bother bitching on forums all day.  Can't say that 11% would be 80% (or even 50%) or anything, but I bet it'd be more than 11%.

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Speaking of sprint an spartan abilities, I feel like a 4v4 beta wasn't enough to really show off their potential in the game. I would love a BTB map with a fuck tonne of skyscrapers or something that you can really use the ground point and thruster on, almost like Mirrors Edge or something. That would be sweet.

Oh god, imagine parkouring through a huge as fuck New Mombasa level.
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Love all the changes.  Glad to see the AR got nerfed in smart scope: that was crazy magnetism.  Plus, the SPNKr and crouch jumping is back, the game will (hopefully) be less dudebro, and quickscoping should hopefully not have a few frame animation where you sway a giant box in front of the screen.

To be fair with PSU: how many people who've hated Halo since Reach, over mechanics like sprint, do you think still bought an Xbone, the MCC, played the beta, and signed up for Halo surveys?  That's a pretty narrow selection pool, considering the fact that it assumes the average person participates on Waypoint or opens their emails from 343.

Same thing happened with arguments all over Reach and H4 forums: the "vocal minority" over lots of issues would be considerably bigger if you include the people with those opinions who decided to give up on the franchise and not bother bitching on forums all day.  Can't say that 11% would be 80% (or even 50%) or anything, but I bet it'd be more than 11%.

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Speaking of sprint an spartan abilities, I feel like a 4v4 beta wasn't enough to really show off their potential in the game. I would love a BTB map with a fuck tonne of skyscrapers or something that you can really use the ground point and thruster on, almost like Mirrors Edge or something. That would be sweet.

Oh god, imagine parkouring through a huge as fuck New Mombasa level.

Or a map set in an asteroid field where you have to jump off all the little rocks and climb on them and stuff.

I really wish they kept the Jetpack...


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Doesn't CS:GO have no sprint and it has one of the largest competitive FPS communities. It shows sprint isn't necessary in FPS games.


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Because they request things such as 32v32 BTB.
It's because they find using vehicles on larger maps funnier than the limited 4V4 shit. For the player count it does make since. With the current map sizes for BTB they're too small for them. The warthog and ghosts can get across the map in under a minute. The scorpion's range is well beyond the boundaries of the map and the air vehicles are way too limited on them. The banshee has hardly any room to move around. So a larger player count would increase the map size.

The other thing about a larger player count is that it would add more things to big team. With the current player count in Halo 2 and 3 you can fit half your team inside one vehicle. With a larger count that wouldn't happen. For the more things it would add more vehicles to the games or ones that have been in the games before. With larger maps and player counts we can have things like the elephant, the troop transport warthog, that ground transport vehicle the Covenant use in Halo 2, the phantom and the pelican. A 32v32 player count would make the playlist a lot funnier than the current outdated 8v8.


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I disagree. 8v8 is the perfect big team size in halo. Anything bigger just makes the maps enormous and makes strategy and communication impossible. Wouldn't be competitive at all.


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Anything bigger just makes the maps enormous and makes strategy and communication impossible.
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I disagree. 8v8 is the perfect big team size in halo. Anything bigger just makes the maps enormous and makes strategy and communication impossible. Wouldn't be competitive at all.


Not everything has to be competitive. People can play for fun, y'know.