it seems like they're really trying to appeal to the CoD crowd without actually turning it into CoD. i think it looks really nice, the gunplay looks pretty fluid imo

Call of Halo: Guardian warfare


If you DONT think this looks like advanced warfare you've never played advanced warfare

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on November 16, 2014, 11:26:26 AM

Why is everyone comparing this to S&D?

There's not even an objective. I'd compare it more to Gears' slayer mode considering the lead MP designer on Halo 5 was lead MP designer at Epic.

You mean Team Deathmatch.

Except there's no 15 lives to share across the team..

Regardless, why does everyone look towards CoD? Was it not Counter Strike that popularized the one life gametype?

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on November 16, 2014, 11:26:26 AM

Why is everyone comparing this to S&D?

There's not even an objective. I'd compare it more to Gears' slayer mode considering the lead MP designer on Halo 5 was lead MP designer at Epic.

You mean Team Deathmatch.

Except there's no 15 lives to share across the team..

Nope, I think he means Warzone/Execution.
It matters.

Quote from: RadicalClass32 on November 16, 2014, 05:27:45 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on November 16, 2014, 11:26:26 AM

Why is everyone comparing this to S&D?

There's not even an objective. I'd compare it more to Gears' slayer mode considering the lead MP designer on Halo 5 was lead MP designer at Epic.

You mean Team Deathmatch.

Except there's no 15 lives to share across the team..

Regardless, why does everyone look towards CoD? Was it not Counter Strike that popularized the one life gametype?

Oh man I haven't played CS in soooo long

Hate it

Did you play the beta, did you already play the full game, no so just play the beta and see if you like it or not.

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 02:43:58 PM

Hate it

Did you play the beta, did you already play the full game, no so just play the beta and see if you like it or not.

I'm sorry I didn't know what I was thinking, having my own opinion.

Hate it makes it a weak opinion, you have to be more specific.

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:55:26 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 06:47:12 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 02:43:58 PM

Hate it

Did you play the beta, did you already play the full game, no so just play the beta and see if you like it or not.

I'm sorry I didn't know what I was thinking, having my own opinion.

Hate it makes it a weak opinion, you have to be more specific.

Specifically, it looks like they're adding in shit nobody except morons asked for.

There trying to make the game competitive, this is what you want, a competitive game, plus the new spartan ability is used for quick get aways, plus sprint is now balance, sorry if you don't like it but play the beta before hating on it, then see if you like it or not.

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 16, 2014, 06:58:11 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:55:26 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 06:47:12 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 02:43:58 PM

Hate it

Did you play the beta, did you already play the full game, no so just play the beta and see if you like it or not.

I'm sorry I didn't know what I was thinking, having my own opinion.

Hate it makes it a weak opinion, you have to be more specific.

Specifically, it looks like they're adding in shit nobody except morons asked for.

There trying to make the game competitive, this is what you want, a competitive game, plus the new spartan ability is used for quick get aways, plus sprint is now balance, sorry if you don't like it but play the beta before hating on it, then see if you like it or not.

Sprint is now balanced. Yes, still being able to run away and prolong your inevitable death is balance and fixes the issue of them being able to run away.

More abilities allowing for you to escape is competitive at heart, we can all agree nothing is more competitive than running away like a little bitch.

It's Halo, trust me.

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 07:01:10 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 16, 2014, 06:58:11 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:55:26 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 06:47:12 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 02:43:58 PM

Hate it

Did you play the beta, did you already play the full game, no so just play the beta and see if you like it or not.

I'm sorry I didn't know what I was thinking, having my own opinion.

Hate it makes it a weak opinion, you have to be more specific.

Specifically, it looks like they're adding in shit nobody except morons asked for.

There trying to make the game competitive, this is what you want, a competitive game, plus the new spartan ability is used for quick get aways, plus sprint is now balance, sorry if you don't like it but play the beta before hating on it, then see if you like it or not.

Sprint is now balanced. Yes, still being able to run away and prolong your inevitable death is balance and fixes the issue of them being able to run away.

More abilities allowing for you to escape is competitive at heart, we can all agree nothing is more competitive than running away like a little bitch.

It's Halo, trust me.

Is the inverse not true too?

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 07:01:10 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 16, 2014, 06:58:11 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:55:26 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 06:47:12 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 02:43:58 PM

Hate it

Did you play the beta, did you already play the full game, no so just play the beta and see if you like it or not.

I'm sorry I didn't know what I was thinking, having my own opinion.

Hate it makes it a weak opinion, you have to be more specific.

Specifically, it looks like they're adding in shit nobody except morons asked for.

There trying to make the game competitive, this is what you want, a competitive game, plus the new spartan ability is used for quick get aways, plus sprint is now balance, sorry if you don't like it but play the beta before hating on it, then see if you like it or not.

Sprint is now balanced. Yes, still being able to run away and prolong your inevitable death is balance and fixes the issue of them being able to run away.

More abilities allowing for you to escape is competitive at heart, we can all agree nothing is more competitive than running away like a little bitch.

It's Halo, trust me.

How about this, if you're being shoot or your shields are not full you won't sprint, that way people are force to slow down, when there shields are fully full they can sprint, balance is back, everyone is happy.

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on November 16, 2014, 07:05:18 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 16, 2014, 07:03:17 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 07:01:10 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 16, 2014, 06:58:11 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:55:26 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 06:47:12 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 02:43:58 PM

Hate it

Did you play the beta, did you already play the full game, no so just play the beta and see if you like it or not.

I'm sorry I didn't know what I was thinking, having my own opinion.

Hate it makes it a weak opinion, you have to be more specific.

Specifically, it looks like they're adding in shit nobody except morons asked for.

There trying to make the game competitive, this is what you want, a competitive game, plus the new spartan ability is used for quick get aways, plus sprint is now balance, sorry if you don't like it but play the beta before hating on it, then see if you like it or not.

Sprint is now balanced. Yes, still being able to run away and prolong your inevitable death is balance and fixes the issue of them being able to run away.

More abilities allowing for you to escape is competitive at heart, we can all agree nothing is more competitive than running away like a little bitch.

It's Halo, trust me.

Is the inverse not true too?

Do you sarcasm, bro?

Of course I sarcasm.

I'm asking if the inverse of it being unfair to run away from a battle is true.

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 16, 2014, 07:04:23 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on November 16, 2014, 07:03:02 PM

Quote from: Assassin 11D7 on November 16, 2014, 06:58:11 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:55:26 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 06:47:12 PM

Quote from: CyberGama on November 16, 2014, 06:29:59 PM

Quote from: Septy on November 16, 2014, 02:43:58 PM

Hate it

Did you play the beta, did you already play the full game, no so just play the beta and see if you like it or not.

I'm sorry I didn't know what I was thinking, having my own opinion.

Hate it makes it a weak opinion, you have to be more specific.

Specifically, it looks like they're adding in shit nobody except morons asked for.

We'd be getting a goddamn Halo 2 or 3 clone if 343i only followed the suggestions of the community.

Widespread reaction to H5 MP was anger and confusion after 343i did H2A MP. Lot's of talk about 343i getting it right and then screwing up afterwards.

Lmao, no. Are you really that ignorant on what people(not talking about what retards that don't understand shit) have asked for and suggested?

If I am ignorant, then enlighten me. Don't point and laugh for me not having the same access to specific knowledge as you.

Goldenboy recently had a chat with a bunch of competitive players about Halo 5. It was basically them chewing the shit out of Halo 5, and when Goldenboy asked how they would have made Halo 5, they couldn't answer his question.

Well, as 343i made a terribly shitty update to their forums and now I need to refind all the threads I had saved on there, this will take longer to get sources, if you want them, but I'll give the general ideas.

Numerous suggestions to improve Firefight were given. Plenty featuring a sort of hub-world conjoining different areas of a single themed map(one map theme was Flood-infested High charity, another a UNSC colony world, etc). There would be bosses, map events, side-missions, vehicles, etc. The suggestions go into much more detail, and were extensively debated, so let me know if you want more.

Found this one about being able to utilize fusion coils in a different way. A risky strategy that could allow one to move objects easier at risk.

Space Battles have only been asked for since, like 4 years now, right? There's a variety of ways that can be done. Either all players start in ships and there are powerups/weapons on map(more traditional), or a more Battlefront-style approach.

That's a weapon

That's a gametype

There are God only knows how many thousands of Forge suggestions since Halo 3 that were intended for Reach and Halo 4 that never got in.

16v16 or 32v32 gametypes have been suggested en masse, and despite what some people may think they hold quite some plausibility and weight behind them.

Removal of Loadouts and Sprint, except in Custom Games with Sprint as an AA/Equipment piece, have been more or less a given. Oh, that reminds me.

Put AA's/Equipment together into the game, have it so only one can be held onto and used at a time. Since Equipment generally behaved differently, make it so AA's would have a set amount of uses or permanent fuel. A proposal was maybe have an area that AA's could be refueled, but that's not necessary for this, and at the least it would be nice for Custom Games.

I can probably remember more if you want.

The majority of suggestions you listed are well known. However, I thought the context of our conversation was regarding Halo's core mechanics, which you did list a few of.

Those suggestions though still do not work to an extent. The problem with equipment and AAs still existing then becomes, how do you adequately represent them so the opposing player knows what you have in your "pocket" without modifying the player's shape or hitbox? In the end, it may become an absolute clusterfuck of a sandbox because you have two distinct abilities, one reusable, the other dispensable. Both behaving in very different manners and you can not determine if the player has one or the other, or neither at all.

This is why I find Spartan Abilities a very attractive idea. It gives you the versatility and change of combat that AAs (and equipment to a lesser extent) tried to provide, but in a balanced manner. No signifying change needs to be given to the player anymore because despite there being seven different abilities, you know that all the other players have them.

There's a video that Ghandi made in regards to Halo 5... I can and do agree with everything he says in the video.

Above all, we need to play the shit out of the Beta because it's a year out from launch. Now, I'm not saying or even implying to not hold a negative opinion of Halo 5's gameplay, but these extremely negative fire-laced reactions and opinions are completely absurd in my point of view.

YouTube

In the end, it's a lose-lose scenario for whatever any developer does with a new Halo's multiplayer.

How did we know what our opponents' had in their pocket in Halo CE and Halo 2? I don't remember that being too much of an issue. Assuming it is an issue, even though I don't feel it really is I mean you don't have visible grenades and ammo on your character model, I don't see why it couldn't be visible on the player's back or belt or something.

You can also determine whether or not a player has one if you see it has been picked up, or if it's not where it spawns. Also, you're not going to see it if it's not placed on the map, just like with any other weapons.

It's an interesting and valid idea, I'll give SA that. However, I find it very hard to believe that you can add 7 different mechanics into the gameplay and have maps like Midship operate well as they used to. It's also a cluster of "wtf is this guy going to do now?" with 7 new things a player can do at anytime, added onto what a player can already do, it can reach the point where things just feel random and unpredictable as there are too many factors to try and count for. Imagine it like Halo 4 with One Man Army allowing someone to switch AA's on the fly.

I am aware of Ghandhi's video, and I agree with him for the most part too.

Rule #1 is that you can never make everyone happy, no matter what, somebody somewhere is going to lose out. All you can do is what you feel is the best option, and I hope 343i's choice is something that allows me to enjoy Halo further into the future, but if that's not how it works out so be it. I'll just hope until they have no chances left.