seriously though

i am karjala takaisin · August 19, 2015, 09:17:15 PM

why the fuck did it take us 500 years in halo just to invent decent powered exoskeletons for military

faster-than-light travel? sure thing

anti-gravity? easy-peasy

sentient artificial intelligence with holographic, fully lifelike avatars? no problem

fusion reactors that can fit in the palm of your hand? we got this

super human augmentations? okey-doke

powered exoskeletons, a technology which is currently commercially available in japan? o shit what the fuck are you insane

Septy · August 19, 2015, 09:23:15 PM

Because there was like 400 years of peace therefore not a lot of military funding

i am karjala takaisin · August 19, 2015, 09:28:15 PM

Quote from: Septy on August 19, 2015, 09:23:15 PM

Because there was like 400 years of peace therefore not a lot of military funding

but see though, the augmentations and shit were developed for the military

and you'd think there'd be at least some civilian usage of exoskeletons

Septy · August 19, 2015, 09:31:11 PM

Quote from: Emberor on August 19, 2015, 09:28:15 PM

Quote from: Septy on August 19, 2015, 09:23:15 PM
Because there was like 400 years of peace therefore not a lot of military funding
but see though, the augmentations and shit were developed for the military

and you'd think there'd be at least some civilian usage of exoskeletons

Augmentations likely came from medical research, and picked up after the Innies started to rebel.

As for civilian exoskeletons thats what they are, civilian equipment. Do you think a civilian exoskeleton can compare to MJOLNIR

Coco · August 19, 2015, 09:37:04 PM

Isn't the MJOLNIR shield system, like the Covenant arsenal, based off of reverse-engineered Forerunner tech?

Septy · August 19, 2015, 09:37:57 PM

Quote from: Cocos on August 19, 2015, 09:37:04 PM

Isn't the MJOLNIR shield system, like the Covenant arsenal, based off of reverse-engineered Forerunner tech?

It's based off the jackal shields

Sandtrap · August 19, 2015, 10:00:10 PM

Ahem. Cough.

There's a difference between small powered exo-skeletons, and thick industrial working machines.

It didn't actually take 500 years to develop a decent powered exo-skeleton.

The Mantis is noted as not being native to combat, and instead, an industrial machine, alongside the Cyclops, if you played Halo Wars. Industrial machines need to be big, in order to construct or move big, end of story on that one.

Small, human sized powered armour existed in the Haloverse for some time, but the main issue was, it was too good.

A regular human body couldn't cope with the speed or strain of things like MJLNOR.

The technology was always there in the background, and, I wouldn't be surprised, if lower tiered and lower powered suits existed, but were just impractical.

Especially, if we take into account the Haloverse's use of drugs. Drugs that could augment your natural strength and yada yada anyway.

i am karjala takaisin · August 19, 2015, 10:10:11 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭ on August 19, 2015, 10:00:10 PM

The Mantis is noted as not being native to combat, and instead, an industrial machine, alongside the Cyclops, if you played Halo Wars. Industrial machines need to be big, in order to construct or move big, end of story on that one.

objection—the cyclops was actually developed as a result of the failings of early mjolnir armor attempts, around 2510

so even that took around 500 years

and the very first mjolnir armor sets were big and bulky like the cyclops

that's the point im trying to make--it seems like powered armor, be it military or industrial, big and bulky or small and form-ffiting, is a new technology even in the 2500s

Doctor Doom · August 19, 2015, 10:15:43 PM

Because the UNSC are technologically retarded. Just look at the Scorpion; what a horrible design for a tank.

Sandtrap · August 19, 2015, 10:26:03 PM

Quote from: Emberor on August 19, 2015, 10:10:11 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭ on August 19, 2015, 10:00:10 PM
The Mantis is noted as not being native to combat, and instead, an industrial machine, alongside the Cyclops, if you played Halo Wars. Industrial machines need to be big, in order to construct or move big, end of story on that one.
objection—the cyclops was actually developed as a result of the failings of early mjolnir armor attempts, around 2510

so even that took around 500 years

and the very first mjolnir armor sets were big and bulky like the cyclops

that's the point im trying to make--it seems like powered armor, be it military or industrial, big and bulky or small and form-ffiting, is a new technology even in the 2500s

Powered exo-skeletons ain't as easy to build as ya think man. The framework?

Hokay, it's simple framework. But something as complex as MJLONIR? I can actually see that as being somewhat feasible, especially if we take into account that for a time of expansion, there was peace. I dunno about you, but, taking what I know of MJOLNIR and applying real world physics to it?

Getting to something like that is going to take us some time as well.

August 19, 2015, 10:38:24 PM

Quote from: Liquid Plotmaster on August 19, 2015, 10:15:43 PM

Because the UNSC are technologically retarded. Just look at the Scorpion; what a horrible design for a tank.

Bungie designed shit to be fun over conventional.

Doctor Doom · August 19, 2015, 10:53:49 PM

Quote from: Vien on August 19, 2015, 10:38:24 PM

Quote from: Liquid Plotmaster on August 19, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Because the UNSC are technologically retarded. Just look at the Scorpion; what a horrible design for a tank.
Bungie designed shit to be fun over conventional.

Which is lovely, but doesn't make it any less shittily designed.

August 19, 2015, 11:10:53 PM

Quote from: Liquid Plotmaster on August 19, 2015, 10:53:49 PM

Quote from: Vien on August 19, 2015, 10:38:24 PM
Quote from: Liquid Plotmaster on August 19, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Because the UNSC are technologically retarded. Just look at the Scorpion; what a horrible design for a tank.
Bungie designed shit to be fun over conventional.

Which is lovely, but doesn't make it any less shittily designed.

Those warthog concepts tho

Zonda · August 20, 2015, 02:56:58 AM

Meanwhile, on the weaponry side of things, the only thing improved is blast radius in Explosives, whilst accuracy in most guns has regressed severely, and stopping power has been greatly reduced.

Jono · August 20, 2015, 03:01:09 AM

Quote from: Vien on August 19, 2015, 11:10:53 PM

Quote from: Liquid Plotmaster on August 19, 2015, 10:53:49 PM
Quote from: Vien on August 19, 2015, 10:38:24 PM
Quote from: Liquid Plotmaster on August 19, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Because the UNSC are technologically retarded. Just look at the Scorpion; what a horrible design for a tank.
Bungie designed shit to be fun over conventional.

Which is lovely, but doesn't make it any less shittily designed.

Those warthog concepts tho

I have this same book about the art from CE and Halo 2. Its awesome.

Girl of Mystery · August 20, 2015, 01:55:12 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭ on August 19, 2015, 10:00:10 PM

Ahem. Cough.

There's a difference between small powered exo-skeletons, and thick industrial working machines.

It didn't actually take 500 years to develop a decent powered exo-skeleton.

The Mantis is noted as not being native to combat, and instead, an industrial machine, alongside the Cyclops, if you played Halo Wars. Industrial machines need to be big, in order to construct or move big, end of story on that one.

Small, human sized powered armour existed in the Haloverse for some time, but the main issue was, it was too good.

A regular human body couldn't cope with the speed or strain of things like MJLNOR.

The technology was always there in the background, and, I wouldn't be surprised, if lower tiered and lower powered suits existed, but were just impractical.

Especially, if we take into account the Haloverse's use of drugs. Drugs that could augment your natural strength and yada yada anyway.

umm, wrong

BaconShelf · August 20, 2015, 02:03:45 PM

I wouldn't put too much thought into the science behind halo.

I mean, it's six centuries in the future and they're still using NATO rounds, for fucks sake.

It's like how laptops are this futuristic technology in aliens despite being commonplace now. You just kind of accept it or you realise that it just doesn't make sense.

BaconShelf · August 20, 2015, 02:08:14 PM

Quote from: ⁭⁭⁭⁭ on August 19, 2015, 10:00:10 PM

Ahem. Cough.

There's a difference between small powered exo-skeletons, and thick industrial working machines.

It didn't actually take 500 years to develop a decent powered exo-skeleton.

The Mantis is noted as not being native to combat, and instead, an industrial machine, alongside the Cyclops, if you played Halo Wars. Industrial machines need to be big, in order to construct or move big, end of story on that one.

Small, human sized powered armour existed in the Haloverse for some time, but the main issue was, it was too good.

A regular human body couldn't cope with the speed or strain of things like MJLNOR.

The technology was always there in the background, and, I wouldn't be surprised, if lower tiered and lower powered suits existed, but were just impractical.

Especially, if we take into account the Haloverse's use of drugs. Drugs that could augment your natural strength and yada yada anyway.

A) The HRUNTING/ YGGDRASIL program was ll about producing military armour. the Mantis, Cyclops and Prototype suit were all examples of this. The former two just got converted to other uses afterwards.

And he's referring to how a MJOLNIR MK IV suit cost as much as a UNSC Frigate to build. The GEN2 variants in use by the Spartans now are in the price range of a pelican dropship, but when you have the capability to fuse atoms, create starships and mass-produce things on an atomic scale, power armour is nuthin'.