I don't even know how I feel about the Xbox Live part.

I mean, I guess I hadn't really thought much about it recently >.> I still feel like it's head-and-shoulders above PSN and NN, which seem to be made out of duct tape by comparison, but the difference is not as dramatic as it used to be.

PSN started the obligatory 'free old games with a subscription' thing thankfully, but I still can't ignore that I've had a terrible experience doing pretty much anything with it, from downloading and installing tiny updates in a timely fashion, to not having a lag slideshow, to not getting my account (and everyone else's) leaked multiple times.

Seriously, PSN keeps getting hacked and Sony still keeps users' data in fucking plaintext. There's a deliberate negligence at play that should have probably gotten someone thrown in prison by now.

But speaking of negligence, the RRoD fiasco was pretty god-awful. Only reason I was never terribly upset about it was because I managed to get one in just before MS stopped sending a free shipping box for it >.>

Quote from: Kupo on October 07, 2015, 08:56:40 AM

I don't even know how I feel about this.

I mean, I guess I hadn't really thought much about it recently >.> I still feel like it's head-and-shoulders above PSN and NN, which seem to be made out of duct tape by comparison, but the difference is not as dramatic as it used to be.

PSN started the obligatory free old games thing, but I still can't ignore that I've had a terrible experience doing pretty much anything with it, from downloading and installing tiny updates in a timely fashion, to not having a lag slideshow, to not getting my account (and everyone else's) leaked multiple times.

Seriously, PSN keeps getting hacked and Sony still keeps users' data in fucking plaintext.

I actually haven't been having that many issues with PSN, save this Sep7agon FOX-HOUND Unit Community not showing up. I've always found myself having a better time with it than Live, even in the PS3 days.

But I suppose I was more focused on the "MS not allowing Valve to release free DLC because it set a dangerous precedent for the other developers" part of the video because it irks me more.

>.> typing this as I'm listening, and I'm still groggy from being asleep

I remember the TF2 Orange Box DLC thing being more of a technical limitation relating to RAM, and MS' approval process being slow, but the Left 4 Dead DLC thing is news to me.

I totally believe it though. Around that time, MS was rather, er... atrocious when it came to DLC and the store in general. Cutting so many timed exclusivity DLC deals, and a reluctance to give anything away for free or for cheap. It was a pretty aggressive strategy that kept Sony in the dirt for a while, but it wasn't exactly respectable or consumer-friendly.

Quote from: Kupo on October 07, 2015, 09:11:29 AM

I totally believe it though. Around that time, MS was rather, er... atrocious when it came to DLC and the store in general. Cutting so many timed exclusivity DLC deals, and a reluctance to give anything away for free or for cheap. It was a pretty aggressive strategy that kept Sony in the dirt for a while, but it wasn't exactly respectable or consumer-friendly.

I didn't get an Xbox 360 until 2010 so I must've missed some of this stuff. Sounds awful, though.

I really enjoyed the PS+ method on the PS3 -- it wasn't mandatory but special benefits were available if you had it. Free games and discounts.

I'm not going to pretend Sony is some paragon of virtue in the industry but I really liked that model.

Yeah, me too. Sony was pretty great with that because for the first time, they successfully posed the idea that maybe Xbox Live wasn't actually worth the subscription. It was a devastating blow to the brand that came at a time when you needed XBL Gold just to watch Netflix on your console. That was one of those issues that had never really gotten much attention until folks starting taking a closer look at PSN vs. XBL, and stopped taking for granted the notion that XBL was all-around better.

Now Microsoft has been doing it too with Games with Gold, but the damage has already been done.

GWG is great though. The fact that you don't lose all your games the second you stop paying your subscription is godlike.

Yeah, Xbox Live has always been good about stuff like that. 

...Wait, does PS+ take them away if you cancel?

Quote from: Kupo on October 07, 2015, 01:22:09 PM

Quote from: Flee on October 07, 2015, 11:35:59 AM

GWG is great though. The fact that you don't lose all your games the second you stop paying your subscription is godlike.

Yeah, Xbox Live has always been good about stuff like that. 

...Wait, does PS+ take them away if you cancel?

As far as I know, they remain permanently fixed to your account but you can only keep playing them as long as you have an active PS+ membership.

Wow, that's... not good.

Lets wait for that UI update to go global + backwards compatibility

I think you guys are missing the point. I'm not saying Microsoft, and only Microsoft, sucks. I'm saying they all suck.

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yeah but xbox doesn't get hacked nearly as often or as severly as PSN so.....

Gold is paying for security

PS+ makes more money than Live.

The PSN hacks are simply more publisised than the Xbox, too.

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paying monthly isn't a huge deal

You're missing the point.

Paying an extra $5 for content that's finished on release isn't a huge deal either, am I right?

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Lets wait for that UI update to go global + backwards compatibility

Did you people even watch the video? Christ.

Pretty much every game company is trying to screw us over nowadays.

As far as I know, they remain permanently fixed to your account but you can only keep playing them as long as you have an active PS+ membership.

The exact same system is in place on the Xbone

This is why I will never, ever hear that XBL was better than PSN.

Microsoft takes a backward approach to matters in several ways.

Did they really think Kinect was going to be a major success? It's sad to say, but I saw that flop a mile away.

Nobody watched the video or got the point of the thread

GWG is great though. The fact that you don't lose all your games the second you stop paying your subscription is godlike.

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