"I'll Keep Coming." | Death Stranding, A Kojima Productions Thread

Finished mission 46

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I made my name "The REAL Big Boss".

but I think some people really were overhyping how emotional it was.

Those pesky expectation spoilers... this is why I try to avoid 'em. Suddenly I don't seem so unreasonable, huh?

No, but really, it wasn't just emotional. It was so freaking thematic. It was a perfect storm of atmosphere.

Honestly, if that's how the game ended (after let's say, you take care of Eli and Metal Gear and stuff), I wouldn't mind. Even the ending for Eli was good because Snake looking out the window to the demon was nice.

Still, it coulda somehow been a way to change his outlook on things, and I wish the outbreak was done by someone like the US Government (and things obviously go wrong because it's almost a global catastrophe). That would change Venom Snake's outlook on a lot of things and then try and push for a nuke, which I think woulda led perfectly into MG 1.

So I have a question

You guys mentioned the Operation Intrude tape as a "deterrent" for Snake to tell Venom to stop. But I sensed none of that after seeing that cutscene and listening to the Truth tapes. And on Wiki it mentioned none of that either, but rather he was basically forced to order the hit once the US Government found nukes on board.

So it seems more so Snake was forced to do it, and didn't personally want to kill him, hence why he sent in Snake (whom Big Boss himself clearly underestimated in Zanzibar). That's just my guess on it unless you guys have other proof.

You guys mentioned the Operation Intrude tape as a "deterrent" for Snake to tell Venom to stop. But I sensed none of that after seeing that cutscene and listening to the Truth tapes. And on Wiki it mentioned none of that either, but rather he was basically forced to order the hit once the US Government found nukes on board.

It's simply speculation, albeit, compelling speculation. Before Venom Snake punches the mirror, it shows the Diamond Dogs logo in the reflection on the wall. Venom flips the tape, showing the "Operation Intrude N313" writing om the back. A timelapse occurs as he flips the tape, jumping forward to 1995 (Metal Gear 1). The evidence for this is that, when Snake goes to punch the mirror, the Diamond Dogs logo in the reflection has changed to Outer Heaven.

My best guess is that Big Boss asked Venom Snake to do what the US Government asked The Boss to do in '64 - sacrifice herself for "the mission". The mission being, Big Boss's legacy and the nation of soldiers. If anyone found out that "Big Boss" was in charge of an insurrection aginst the Patriots, that would raise some hard questions for the real Big Boss who was in charge of FOX-HOUND at the time. Outer Heaven wasn't ready, and with Solid Snake's success virtually inevitable, he asks Venom to sacrifice himself.

Venom rejects this idea, and starts to give Solid false information (notice how he uses a different frequency in MG1 once he begins to do this?) Eventually, Snake reveals himself to Solid as "Big Boss", forcing Ishmael to accelerate his plans for a Nation of Soldiers whilst making it more difficult (which is what I attribute Solid's victory in '99 to).

Sorry if that's hard to follow, I'm on my phone.

Daily reminder big boss fought off a swarm of bees with a knife and thus is superior to david

Venom rejects this idea, and starts to give Solid false information (notice how he uses a different frequency in MG1 once he begins to do this?)

Shut up, nuh uh. You gotta link me that, because that sounds so cool and subtle hahaha.

If Kojima tied that in then I have to admit, THAT is pretty cool.

yeah but on the first frequency big boss said he was going to change frequencys SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And why would the real BB just stop talking on the original frequency if venom went to a new one?

Did he jam BB?

If so why didn't he jam everyone else?

I could ask the same question with Quiet's mission I just finished.

She was forced to speak English, yet you're telling me they didn't have Code Talker on the line like literally every other time? I suppose the storm dimmed the coms though, so that makes sense.

yeah but on the first frequency big boss said he was going to change frequencys SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Maybe it was Venom saying that, or BB really did wanna change but got cock blocked.

A small retcon would change that.

yeah but on the first frequency big boss said he was going to change frequencys SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Maybe it was Venom saying that, or BB really did wanna change but got cock blocked.

A small retcon would change that.

But how would venom be saying that? If it was him why wouldn't he just keep using that frequency.

yeah but on the first frequency big boss said he was going to change frequencys SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Maybe it was Venom saying that, or BB really did wanna change but got cock blocked.

A small retcon would change that.

But how would venom be saying that? If it was him why wouldn't he just keep using that frequency.

Interference from Big Boss? He might've hacked the station and told him to switch, and blocked off BB. Idk.

Speaking of Metal Gear 1, you guys remember that fan project that stopped?

Well he's picking it back up again after finishing whatever he was doing. He's using the Unreal 4 Engine.

I thought konami told the guy to fuck off tho

also why the fuck is ocelot so damn showy, lol (I'm watching a friend play mgs3)

Konami was initially giving the go ahead, but then later said some devs were against it. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Kojima was against it, seeing as he's very protective of his series.

yeah but on the first frequency big boss said he was going to change frequencys SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Probably just Venom impersonating Big Boss.

I said it onece, I'll say it again; How did he just pop into boss's frequency like that?

ocelot's just juggling guns n shit man

"Game would've been so much better if it was structured like Ground Zeroes instead. Instead of an "Open World", it should've been "Open Levels" instead. Tightly designed places that still offer the player freedom for infiltration without the cons of open world game design.

The whole game reeks of missed potential. The gameplay that is there is excellent. Everything else? Half-complete and butchered."

I agree with this comment

Finally got the emblem. My canon is complete. Annoying thing is I obviously can't get the banner on top like the original one, so this is as close as I can get it to looking good. Any suggestions? Tried tilting my words on either side of the skull but eh, it wasn't too great.

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I could ask the same question with Quiet's mission I just finished.

She was forced to speak English, yet you're telling me they didn't have Code Talker on the line like literally every other time? I suppose the storm dimmed the coms though, so that makes sense.

why can't she just write shit down

I could ask the same question with Quiet's mission I just finished.

She was forced to speak English, yet you're telling me they didn't have Code Talker on the line like literally every other time? I suppose the storm dimmed the coms though, so that makes sense.

why can't she just write shit down

uh... because that would make sense?

I could ask the same question with Quiet's mission I just finished.

She was forced to speak English, yet you're telling me they didn't have Code Talker on the line like literally every other time? I suppose the storm dimmed the coms though, so that makes sense.

why can't she just write shit down

it was over the radio

I could ask the same question with Quiet's mission I just finished.

She was forced to speak English, yet you're telling me they didn't have Code Talker on the line like literally every other time? I suppose the storm dimmed the coms though, so that makes sense.

why can't she just write shit down

it was over the radio

well i mean, just in general

oh this is the one i use

I could ask the same question with Quiet's mission I just finished.

She was forced to speak English, yet you're telling me they didn't have Code Talker on the line like literally every other time? I suppose the storm dimmed the coms though, so that makes sense.

why can't she just write shit down

it was over the radio

well i mean, just in general

Oh I thought you meant in that scene

oh this is the one i use

It's associated with MGS4, so I instinctively find it annoying >.>

What's so bad about mgs4?