"I'll Keep Coming." | Death Stranding, A Kojima Productions Thread

you dont even know what I like >:I

i bet you listen to opeth or some shit

And really I should be able to upload my own music if I so desire.

But how does that affect storytelling, at all?

Your logic isn't logical.

You can argue that it's a poor design decision but it doesn't affect plot or writing or dialogue. At all. Which is what "story" refers to.

I'm referring to the pacing of the story. I feel the pacing of the story for MGS V was off. The writing wasn't the best either, but the level design of the other games helped the pacing to everything.

Sandbox gameplay does not compliment a game like MGS in that regard.

Also this thread officially has more pages than gaming entirely.

The music on the cassette tapes were also a let down.

No Nuclear or Elegia. No David Bowie. No Bon Jovi, no Duran Duran.

They didn't even include TBIYTC, Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday, and Calling to the Night.

Not if you're on PC :^)

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Name 5 other Phil Collins songs that you know.

you dont even know what I like >:I

i bet you listen to opeth or some shit

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I'm referring to the pacing of the story. I feel the pacing of the story for MGS V was off.

It was but that's always the case for Metal Gear games, albeit, some more than others.

The writing wasn't the best either, but the level design of the other games helped the pacing to everything.

I still don't see how. At least in TPP I can play the game while learning new things, whereas in older MGS games I'm constantly taken out of gameplay to listen to irrelevant dialogue about which frequency is my save feature.

Sandbox gameplay does not compliment a game like MGS in that regard.

Snake Eater has sandbox gameplay, though.

The music on the cassette tapes were also a let down.

No Nuclear or Elegia. No David Bowie. No Bon Jovi, no Duran Duran.

They didn't even include TBIYTC, Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday, and Calling to the Night.

Not if you're on PC :^)

Can you actually import any song?

Some people think Solid and Liquid both have blond hair.

What?

Some people are of the opinion that both Solid and Liquid have naturally blond hair.

The mission briefings in MGS1 support it.

Solid Snake:



MGS1 retconned a lot of the MG canon, so this doesn't surprise me.

Solid was originally supposed to be blonde, but was changed to brunette somewhere in development for reasons I can't recall.

Canonically, he is and always was brunette.

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Name 5 other Phil Collins songs that you know.

Another day in paradise
Easy Lover
I Don't Care Anymore
One More night
Invisible touch (Genesis but technically Phil Collins)

Another day in paradise
Easy Lover
I Don't Care Anymore
One More night
Invisible touch (Genesis but technically Phil Collins)

fair enough

As for Liquid, his entire appearance in MGSV was a complete let down.

I was expecting Big Boss, at the time of his meeting with Eli for the first time, to already be on the path of a demon. Eli is a promising young soldier with a distaste for adults, but he always looked up to his "father", Big Boss.

Big Boss ultimately kicks his ass, multiple times, and tells him "You inferior POS, I'm sure your brother wouldn't disappoint me like this, with his dominant genes." or something like that, hence his hatred for Solid and Boss.

The only scene in the game I liked was when he was patted on the back after arriving at Motherbase. "Welcome to Outer Heaven." *pat* *shakes in anger, steals Snake's knife and tries to stab him*

Cool scene but they make Liquid wholly unlikable in an entirely different landscape from his first debut. This isn't 1998 where a British accent and cool sounding words like "recessive" and "inferior" make for an interesting story.

I'm referring to the pacing of the story. I feel the pacing of the story for MGS V was off.

It was but that's always the case for Metal Gear games, albeit, some more than others.

The writing wasn't the best either, but the level design of the other games helped the pacing to everything.

I still don't see how. At least in TPP I can play the game while learning new things, whereas in older MGS games I'm constantly taken out of gameplay to listen to irrelevant dialogue about which frequency is my save feature.

Sandbox gameplay does not compliment a game like MGS in that regard.

Snake Eater has sandbox gameplay, though.

I'm not gonna break down every post like you guys at Sept love to do, so here we go.

The frequency thing about saving wasn't even that big a deal to me. Honestly, I miss a lot of the codec crap. I liked to put my controller down and listen to some amazing voice acting. The tapes still kinda do that for me, but not to the same degree. It felt like after MGS 4, Kojima was scared of it.

As for Sandbox, when I mention that, I mean the entire world is completely open to you. You can go anywhere. You get thrown in and there you go. GTA, Far Cry, MGS V, etc.

MGS 3 has more open areas, but you still have paths you have to go down to get to certain areas. You can't just fast travel or take a helicopter to some zone.

The music on the cassette tapes were also a let down.

No Nuclear or Elegia. No David Bowie. No Bon Jovi, no Duran Duran.

They didn't even include TBIYTC, Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday, and Calling to the Night.

But they included Ultravox, Billy Idol, Thomas Dolby, Kajagoogoo, Japan, Hall & Oats, Kim Wilde, Europe, a-ha, Dead or Alive, and The Cure.

>no death grips

Another day in paradise
Easy Lover
I Don't Care Anymore
One More night
Invisible touch (Genesis but technically Phil Collins)

fair enough

I don't think you fully realize my affinity for certain 60's - 80's artists/bands.

Another day in paradise
Easy Lover
I Don't Care Anymore
One More night
Invisible touch (Genesis but technically Phil Collins)

fair enough

I don't think you fully realize my affinity for certain 60's - 80's artists/bands.

it's just a pet peeve i have

posting an artist's most popular song is usually a red flag that says "this person doesn't know any other song by this artist"

I'm not gonna break down every post like you guys at Sept love to do, so here we go.

Well I will, considering it's the only way to get to the bottom of arguments.

The frequency thing about saving wasn't even that big a deal to me.

It breaks up gameplay inorganically. Fact.

I liked them sometimes but they overstay their welcome.

Honestly, I miss a lot of the codec crap. I liked to put my controller down and listen to some amazing voice acting.

Yup, that's why I buy games. To put my controller down.

It felt like after MGS 4, Kojima was scared of it.

Kojima stated that he felt they weren't "next-generation" enough for MGSV.

GTA, Far Cry, MGS V, etc.

MGSV =/= GTA/Far Cry.

MGSV is just roads that connect smaller Ground Zeroes together.

MGS 3 has more open areas, but you still have paths you have to go down to get to certain areas.

Just like MGSV.

There are parts of MGS3 that are just as "open-world infiltration" -esque as MGSV, believe me.

You can't just fast travel or take a helicopter to some zone.

Can't do that in TPP, either. Not a super big point of contention but worth pointing out nonetheless.

I would say that you should give a fuck because things tend to be more than just the one thing they appear to be when you first see them.

Have you told yourself this? Have you considered that characters you might like and appreciate might actually have something really shitty about them that you probably shouldn't overlook?

Yeah, it's called a flaw. Practically everything has them.

You can find appeal in more than just in her looks, which were indeed meant to appeal to hormonal males, but that in no way restricts you from finding something else appealing.

That's not what I'm saying. I just think it's stupid to ignore the negatives. You accuse me of ignoring the positives--I'm accusing you of ignoring the negatives.

I'm not saying ignore the negatives, I'm saying move on from the negatives. Accept them, they aren't going anywhere and getting upset over it isn't going to do anything for you. You dislike them, good, that's perfectly fine. But what isn't is obsessing them. You can dislike part of a thing and still like the whole of that thing.

I really don't care for Quiet's get up, I think it's just idiotic, but I accept the reasoning for it and that it is the way it is. However, this is not a game about dress-up, it's about stealth and combat, and that's something Quiet excels at as a character. She's a soldier, while it would be nice if her default outfit was something not showy but practical, I can move past that glaring flaw to focus on what she does as a soldier and character.

Well, I don't own the game yet, guy. So I really can't comment on anything else but what I can see and hear, can I?

Are we no longer talking about hypothetical perfect character with sexualized get up?

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As for Liquid, his entire appearance in MGSV was a complete let down.

I was expecting Big Boss, at the time of his meeting with Eli for the first time, to already be on the path of a demon. Eli is a promising young soldier with a distaste for adults, but he always looked up to his "father", Big Boss.

Big Boss ultimately kicks his ass, multiple times, and tells him "You inferior POS, I'm sure your brother wouldn't disappoint me like this, with his dominant genes." or something like that, hence his hatred for Solid and Boss.

The only scene in the game I liked was when he was patted on the back after arriving at Motherbase. "Welcome to Outer Heaven." *pat* *shakes in anger, steals Snake's knife and tries to stab him*

Cool scene but they make Liquid wholly unlikable in an entirely different landscape from his first debut. This isn't 1998 where a British accent and cool sounding words like "recessive" and "inferior" make for an interesting story.

Liquid was raised from birth to be a killer, got told his entire life that he was the inferior of Big Boss' sons (or perhaps came to the conclusion himself based on no real evidence), got tortured for what's implied to be years in the Middle East, believed he was created to destroy because his genes said so without even attempting to live for anything else, and held an irrational hatred for a brother he hadn't even met before. It's clear he was not at all stable, and snapping at the slightest gesture was entirely understandable given the circumstances.

But they included Ultravox, Billy Idol, Thomas Dolby, Kajagoogoo, Japan, Hall & Oats, Kim Wilde, Europe, a-ha, Dead or Alive, and The Cure.

The only songs I care for:

Rebel Yell
Man Eater
Too Shy
Dancing With Tears In My Eyes

All the other ones are fine but are either overrated as fuck (I'm looking at you, Final Countdown) or just plain bad.

Like, there should have been at least one David Bowie song. Diamond Dogs? The Man Who Sold The World? C'mon. And I don't even like Bowie.

Another day in paradise
Easy Lover
I Don't Care Anymore
One More night
Invisible touch (Genesis but technically Phil Collins)

fair enough

I don't think you fully realize my affinity for certain 60's - 80's artists/bands.

it's just a pet peeve i have

posting an artist's most popular song is usually a red flag that says "this person doesn't know any other song by this artist"

That's fair.
But generally whenever I find an artist with a sound I like I'll dive into a bunch of their songs and find ones I enjoy the most. Like at this point on my phone I have 20 Billy Joel songs but only 2 Blue Oyster Cult songs because I only found them recently.

But they included Ultravox, Billy Idol, Thomas Dolby, Kajagoogoo, Japan, Hall & Oats, Kim Wilde, Europe, a-ha, Dead or Alive, and The Cure.

The only songs I care for:

Rebel Yell
Man Eater
Too Shy
Dancing With Tears In My Eyes

All the other ones are fine but are either overrated as fuck (I'm looking at you, Final Countdown) or just plain bad.

Like, there should have been at least one David Bowie song. Diamond Dogs? The Man Who Sold The World? C'mon. And I don't even like Bowie.

But Bowie's version of TMWSTW is a mess of cocaine and vox clipping.

Europe

*Queen
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nothing good about having the post overplayed song in the universe anyway

Liquid was raised from birth to be a killer, got told his entire life that he was the inferior of Big Boss' sons (or perhaps came to the conclusion himself based on no real evidence), got tortured for what's implied to be years in the Middle East, believed he was created to destroy because his genes said so without even attempting to live for anything else, and held an irrational hatred for a brother he hadn't even met before. It's clear he was not at all stable, and snapping at the slightest gesture was entirely understandable given the circumstances.

I really hate it when you make a sub-par story more grandiose with a paragraph of "interesting events".

You did it with Gray Fox, too.


The novelisation says that Eli hated his father and the pat on the back gesture pissed him off because he didn't want Big Boss to like him -- he wanted him to know how much he hated his father.

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Europe

*Queen
:^)

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