"I'll Keep Coming." | Death Stranding, A Kojima Productions Thread

if she were the most interesting character ever and you would have all that perfection ruined because of the way she is dressed at certain points in the game then you're the one that's only paying attention to the object, not the person.

uh

yeah

because i'm capable of looking at things critically like that

I thought that was what you were against here, women being shown as just objects? Yet you would fully ignore the person to take complete offense at the physical appearance. How can that possibly be a rational position?

because if i'm acknowledging that she has a character, i'm not ignoring it

you stupid dumbass

you like him

Well that's just rude.

Get em' boys?

Such a lust for revenge.

Quiet doesn't fall into the category you mentioned

uh

yeah

she does

she's an oversexualized piece of misogynistic pandering shit

She has a character, she's not just something to stare at like you seem to want her to be.

That'd be true if she had a better story, or if her skimpiness was actually deconstructed like Kojima claimed it would be.

Yeah, her story really could've been a lot better and the ending has me scratching my head wondering what in the fuck they were on when they wrote it.

you like him

Well that's just rude.

Get em' boys?

Such a lust for revenge.

Spoilers for the end game (No way am I getting you guys on my butt about spoilers)

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srs dont beat me up

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you like him

Well that's just rude.

Get em' boys?

Such a lust for revenge.

Spoilers for the end game (No way am I getting you guys on my butt about spoilers)

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srs dont beat me up

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Thumbs up for the dancing soldier in the front.

if she were the most interesting character ever and you would have all that perfection ruined because of the way she is dressed at certain points in the game then you're the one that's only paying attention to the object, not the person.

uh

yeah

because i'm capable of looking at things critically like that

I thought that was what you were against here, women being shown as just objects? Yet you would fully ignore the person to take complete offense at the physical appearance. How can that possibly be a rational position?

because if i'm acknowledging that she has a character, i'm not ignoring it

you stupid dumbass

You said that she could have a perfect character and that if she dresses or appears a certain way she's shit. That's ignoring the character, or at least putting maximum emphasis on the object part of them.

And watch the names bro, you might hurt someone's feelings.

You said that she could have a perfect character and that if she dresses or appears a certain way she's shit. That's ignoring the character, or at least putting maximum emphasis on the object part of them.

No it fucking isn't. It just means that I have an intolerance for a particular character trait. I can acknowledge that Quiet might have character, but considering that she's designed only to appease sex-craved males, I don't GIVE a fuck. Why SHOULD I give a fuck?

Am I not allowed to look at the negative aspects of a character? Seems like that's what you're saying.

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ruined it

pshhhht

I hate fun.

Yes, yes I know.

I honestly think open world ruined a lot of it.

How would the open world affect the story, exactly? Because both Snake Eater and Peace Walker were essentially the same thing.

Let's not blame the gameplay advancements for poor writing.

So Eli's hair got bleached when he was a POW in the Middle East. He's about 13 or so in MGS5...so when the fuck was he captured? Was he prepubescent when he joined the SAS?

I keep telling you, that bleached hair shit isn't canon. Some people think Solid and Liquid both have blond hair.

You said that she could have a perfect character and that if she dresses or appears a certain way she's shit. That's ignoring the character, or at least putting maximum emphasis on the object part of them.

No it fucking isn't. It just means that I have an intolerance for a particular character trait. I can acknowledge that Quiet might have character, but considering that she's designed only to appease sex-craved males, I don't GIVE a fuck. Why SHOULD I give a fuck?

Am I not allowed to look at the negative aspects of a character? Seems like that's what you're saying.

I would say that you should give a fuck because things tend to be more than just the one thing they appear to be when you first see them. Many things are designed for one thing, and end up being just as good or better at another, or several other, things. You can find appeal in more than just in her looks, which were indeed meant to appeal to hormonal males, but that in no way restricts you from finding something else appealing.

That is not at all what I am saying. What I am saying is that you are way too fixated on one particular thing, and you're forcing yourself to not see other possibilities. In your own zeal that you are completely right, because you don't want to see women degraded, you are fixated on the negatives and failing to move past them to find the positives that you could actually enjoy.

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that's better

BIAS

Some people think Solid and Liquid both have blond hair.

What?

So like, is that it for metal gear titles?

The ones with Kojima's name on 'em? Most likely.

But I'm of the opinion that his absence from the series is ultimately a good thing. Evidently he either doesn't know how to manage his time appropriately or he doesn't know how to write.

Either way, there'll be the best man for the job replacing him. I couldn't care less for the gameplay, because it's basically perfection in TPP. They just need to recreate it, add a few extra features, and focus entirely on the story. The only thing I can feasibly see changing is the cinematic aspect, which is a necessary sacrifice.

I mean, really, the only bad Metal Gear game without Kojima's name on it is Snake's Revenge. Portable Ops had a story that fit really well in MGS canon. Peace Walker was built upon that game's gameplay failures.

Revengeance is pretty good.

Metal Gear Solid: Rising was a tough project to finish because it was a completely new concept. I don't blame the team for fucking up.

I honestly think open world ruined a lot of it.

How would the open world affect the story, exactly? Because both Snake Eater and Peace Walker were essentially the same thing.

Let's not blame the gameplay advancements for poor writing.

Snake Eater and Peace Walker had more open places you could go, but they still guided you down paths, Peace Walker especially. It was zones you went to but you followed a path zone by zone.

MGS 4 was basically the same in that you slowly went down a path they guided you on. Some missions in MGS V (such as the mist area with the bloody hospital) kinda did the same thing, but it ultimately took a sandbox effect.

That in itself ruined it because you visited the same areas again and again, and you could before you activate a story mission. That alone takes away a lot of the immersion for me. MGS 4 gave you the illusion the world was more open but you still had that hand guiding you down the path, and Peace Walker literally showed it with a map.

This one just threw you in two boxes and told you to have fun. It didn't help you didn't have to do the story missions in any specific order.

Some people think Solid and Liquid both have blond hair.

What?

Some people are of the opinion that both Solid and Liquid have naturally blond hair.

The mission briefings in MGS1 support it.

Solid Snake:



MGS1 retconned a lot of the MG canon, so this doesn't surprise me.

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I am so confused that you like Billy Idol.

I would say that you should give a fuck because things tend to be more than just the one thing they appear to be when you first see them.

Have you told yourself this? Have you considered that characters you might like and appreciate might actually have something really shitty about them that you probably shouldn't overlook?

You can find appeal in more than just in her looks, which were indeed meant to appeal to hormonal males, but that in no way restricts you from finding something else appealing.

That's not what I'm saying. I just think it's stupid to ignore the negatives. You accuse me of ignoring the positives--I'm accusing you of ignoring the negatives.

you are way too fixated on one particular thing, and you're forcing yourself to not see other possibilities. In your own zeal that you are completely right, because you don't want to see women degraded, you are fixated on the negatives and failing to move past them to find the positives that you could actually enjoy.

Well, I don't own the game yet, guy. So I really can't comment on anything else but what I can see and hear, can I?

Snake Eater and Peace Walker had more open places you could go, but they still guided you down paths, Peace Walker especially. It was zones you went to but you followed a path zone by zone.

MGS 4 was basically the same in that you slowly went down a path they guided you on. Some missions in MGS V (such as the mist area with the bloody hospital) kinda did the same thing, but it ultimately took a sandbox effect.

That in itself ruined it because you visited the same areas again and again, and you could before you activate a story mission. That alone takes away a lot of the immersion for me. MGS 4 gave you the illusion the world was more open but you still had that hand guiding you down the path, and Peace Walker literally showed it with a map.

This one just threw you in two boxes and told you to have fun. It didn't help you didn't have to do the story missions in any specific order.

But how does that affect storytelling, at all?

Your logic isn't logical.

You can argue that it's a poor design decision but it doesn't affect plot or writing or dialogue. At all. Which is what "story" refers to.

BIAS

Or maybe you just have shitty taste in music. :^)

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BIAS

Or maybe you just have shitty taste in music. :^)

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for you
you dont even know what I like >:I

also, meh

I am so confused that you like Billy Idol.

punk wave is hard to dislike

The music on the cassette tapes were also a let down.

No Nuclear or Elegia. No David Bowie. No Bon Jovi, no Duran Duran.

They didn't even include TBIYTC, Can't Say Goodbye to Yesterday, and Calling to the Night.