"I'll Keep Coming." | Death Stranding, A Kojima Productions Thread

Also, the fact Mantis is a ginger means he has no soul.

It all makes sense.

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Personally, I'd have preferred it if he was more normal and slowly got fucked up over time. Not always a gas mask wielding fuck. Naomi even says as much in the original, in that he dove too deep in the mind of a serial killer.

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It's not incompatible. Young Mantis had no personality, he fed off of the egos of those around him. As he grew older, his personality was molded by those of the the minds he read. When he went into FBI work, the serial killer drove him insane. Or completely insane, I should say.

Also, the fact Mantis is a ginger means he has no soul.

It all makes sense.

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Personally, I'd have preferred it if he was more normal and slowly got fucked up over time. Not always a gas mask wielding fuck. Naomi even says as much in the original, in that he dove too deep in the mind of a serial killer.

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I personally like that we never find out anything about him. That isn't really his role in the game anyway - he's just there to drive things forward and nothing more. Diabolus ex machina, if you will.

When it comes to prequels that are supposed to tie in with the original things that kicked something off, a lot of times the creator will just throw characters from the original in the prequel because lol just cuz.

I mean, he could have done the same with Wolf, Decoy Octopus, and various others.

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I'd honestly have loved Decoy Octopus to be Venom Snake though. That was the speculation early on and it's so much better than the real result if you ask me.

So like, is that it for metal gear titles?

Also, the fact Mantis is a ginger means he has no soul.

It all makes sense.

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Personally, I'd have preferred it if he was more normal and slowly got fucked up over time. Not always a gas mask wielding fuck. Naomi even says as much in the original, in that he dove too deep in the mind of a serial killer.

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It's not incompatible. Young Mantis had no personality, he fed off of the egos of those around him. As he grew older, his personality was molded by those of the the minds he read. When he went into FBI work, the serial killer drove him insane. Or completely insane, I should say.

I think the greatest question is how the hell was he even sane enough to WORK for the FBI? You'd think the normies at the Bureau would be freaked out to see a floating ginger in a gas mask going

"Yesssssssssssssss. You like the Legend of ZELDA, DON'T CHUUU?"

I want Metal Gear Rising: Ninja of Shadow Moses.

So like, is that it for metal gear titles?

that's it for kojima metal gear titles, iirc

that's a good thing, as far as i'm concerned

I want Metal Gear Rising: Ninja of Shadow Moses.

ew

Also, the fact Mantis is a ginger means he has no soul.

It all makes sense.

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Personally, I'd have preferred it if he was more normal and slowly got fucked up over time. Not always a gas mask wielding fuck. Naomi even says as much in the original, in that he dove too deep in the mind of a serial killer.

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It's not incompatible. Young Mantis had no personality, he fed off of the egos of those around him. As he grew older, his personality was molded by those of the the minds he read. When he went into FBI work, the serial killer drove him insane. Or completely insane, I should say.

I think the greatest question is how the hell was he even sane enough to WORK for the FBI? You'd think the normies at the Bureau would be freaked out to see a floating ginger in a gas mask going

"Yesssssssssssssss. You like the Legend of ZELDA, DON'T CHUUU?"

I mean, I'd assume Mantis managed to read a lot of normal minds over his life. He outright says in MGS1 that he likes Snake because he doesn't just think about fucking like everyone else. He probably mellowed out a lot between MGSV and his pre-FBI days.

So like, is that it for metal gear titles?

that's it for kojima metal gear titles, iirc

that's a good thing, as far as i'm concerned

Lets party

Seriously.

Liquid really was an extremely popular character back in 1998. While he seems shallow now, keep in mind Metal Gear Solid was a story-based game released at a time when 'blast all the bad guys' was the zenith of plot in video games.

(Gotta get that zenith in there one more time.)

I suppose so, but he's had so many games to fix it. Hell, he did so with Gas Snake, though his charisma wasn't nearly as high so he's seen as the worse of the two (when in fact his character is WAY better). I'd like to see them do more with Solidus, considering he is THE clone that was supposed to be Big Boss the most. And if they remade him in HD, he'd look like the one we all know and love.

I could never see Solidus as a good bad guy. Liquid seemed genuinely threatening, but Solidus seemed like a wannabe villain who never quite made the role. He was pushed to be the biggest bad guy but never really felt like it.

Which is ironic considering Liquid is the poster boy for wannabes.

Though, I guess Solidus' irrelevance in the grand scheme of things was intentional considering absolutely every little detail in MGS2 was intentional.

So like, is that it for metal gear titles?

In terms of quality, probably.

But honestly, I think Revengeance had a stronger and better told story than MGS V did. Open world hurt MGS because MGS always relied on the progression of guided levels for cutscenes and all that. The flow was consistent.

In MGS V it's open world so it's "do x amount of missions and get some worthless explanation of why you need to kill/extract someone working for Cipher."

I can't be the only one who feels like this? It's mission, mission, mission, cutscene, repeat. And the only "progression" is Miller giving you an explanation as to why so and so guy you're trailing needs to be extracted.

It's like the Skyrim fetch quest effect where they can go into detail about why you need to get them the golden claw, but at the end of the day you're still just going to grab a fucking claw and run it back to the cuck Inn keeper.

Also, the fact Mantis is a ginger means he has no soul.

It all makes sense.

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Personally, I'd have preferred it if he was more normal and slowly got fucked up over time. Not always a gas mask wielding fuck. Naomi even says as much in the original, in that he dove too deep in the mind of a serial killer.

Spoiler

It's not incompatible. Young Mantis had no personality, he fed off of the egos of those around him. As he grew older, his personality was molded by those of the the minds he read. When he went into FBI work, the serial killer drove him insane. Or completely insane, I should say.

I think the greatest question is how the hell was he even sane enough to WORK for the FBI? You'd think the normies at the Bureau would be freaked out to see a floating ginger in a gas mask going

"Yesssssssssssssss. You like the Legend of ZELDA, DON'T CHUUU?"

I mean, I'd assume Mantis managed to read a lot of normal minds over his life. He outright says in MGS1 that he likes Snake because he doesn't just think about fucking like everyone else. He probably mellowed out a lot between MGSV and his pre-FBI days.

Oh yeah, he didn't let Meryl's sexy times seduce him. My parents were around when I was younger to see that cutscene.

"Snake! Make love to me!!!!"

Sooooo awkward....

I want Metal Gear Rising: Ninja of Shadow Moses.

ew

He's just a ghost with an end-goal. What's gross about that?

I want Metal Gear Rising: Ninja of Shadow Moses.

ew

He's just a ghost with an end-goal. What's gross about that?

you like him

I could never see Solidus as a good bad guy. Liquid seemed genuinely threatening, but Solidus seemed like a wannabe villain who never quite made the role. He was pushed to be the biggest bad guy but never really felt like it.

Which is ironic considering Liquid is the poster boy for wannabes.

Though, I guess Solidus' irrelevance in the grand scheme of things was intentional considering absolutely every little detail in MGS2 was intentional.

You never knew if he was good or bad anyway. By killing him you let the Patriots run wild but the opposite effect was also fucked. It was weird, yeah.

What's gross about that?

hack 'n' slash

I got the bandana

my life is complete

What's gross about that?

hack 'n' slash

woah woah woah

lets not go insult Waifu raiden ninja game now sir

Yeah, that's a thing, but men are treated as worthless, disposable henchmen, druggies, or other such roles. Basically just living targets for the protagonist to shoot, while the women can be sex objects. It's a silly generic role that's super easy to throw characters into without any care or thought.

Besides, this isn't one of those cases.

what is your fucking point, guy

shitty characters are bad, yes

we know

i'm talking about a specific kind of shitty character, and you're talking about irrelevant crap

You said women have a shitty character trope, and I pointed out men also have an equal shitty character trope. Quiet doesn't fall into the category you mentioned, so what are you really on about here?

Quiet doesn't fall into the category you mentioned

uh

yeah

she does

she's an oversexualized piece of misogynistic pandering shit

Quiet doesn't fall into the category you mentioned

uh

yeah

she does

she's an oversexualized piece of misogynistic pandering shit

She has a character, she's not just something to stare at like you seem to want her to be.

you like him

Well that's just rude.

She has a character

it doesn't matter
she can be the most interesting character ever

but if her design subjugates women, it's a bad design
and if you're rational, you'll consider that a problem

You guys are both right, now quiet.

Edit: Uhh, no pun intended...

stop sexualizing plants

no, i'm pretty sure that only i'm right

you like him

Well that's just rude.

Get em' boys?

Quiet doesn't fall into the category you mentioned

uh

yeah

she does

she's an oversexualized piece of misogynistic pandering shit

She has a character, she's not just something to stare at like you seem to want her to be.

That'd be true if she had a better story, or if her skimpiness was actually deconstructed like Kojima claimed it would be.

She has a character

it doesn't matter
she can be the most interesting character ever

but if her design subjugates women, it's a bad design
and if you're rational, you'll consider that a problem

If she were the most interesting character ever and you would have all that perfection ruined because of the way she is dressed at certain points in the game then you're the one that's only paying attention to the object, not the person. I thought that was what you were against here, women being shown as just objects? Yet you would fully ignore the person to take complete offense at the physical appearance. How can that possibly be a rational position?

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This song would fit this argument pretty well right now.

makes me bounce in my chair with a smile