"I'll Keep Coming." | Death Stranding, A Kojima Productions Thread

That's a lot better, actually.

What the fuck is this thread

I always felt congested when in the copter or in buildings. Finally.

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because mgs

What the fuck is this thread

Our Outer Heaven.

this thread has 130 fucking pages

Almost more than the total pages in Gaming.


I think it's because we have something like 5-15 MGS fans, but the ones we do have, are HUGE fans.

This thread provides a haven, if you will, for me and my fellow Diamond Dogs™.

And yes, I do take pride in the fact that it's the biggest thread on Sep7agon.

I always felt congested when in the copter or in buildings. Finally.

When I get my laptop for school I'm going to get something that can play MGSV decently well, so I can utilise some of these fantastic mods.

But yeah, I hate how you can't rotate the camera 360^o while flying to and from places.

Cool thing about Wandering Motherbase Soldier missions

If you use the cardboard box, the soldier won't run away even if he sees you because he realizes that you're Big Boss.

Cool thing about Wandering Motherbase Soldier missions

If you use the cardboard box, the soldier won't run away even if he sees you because he realizes that you're Big Boss.

That's... such an amazing detail.

also if you play the cassette tape of paz humming with the speaker on, they'll calm down walk over to you and salute you.

Wow, that's so cool, man.

Little details, guys.

http://gearnuke.com/metal-gear-solid-v-phantom-pain-insane-attention-detail-might-missed/

Metal Gear, according to Dunkey.

In Metal Gear Solid 2 Ocelot throws the entire story out the window. Also, for some fucking reason Ocelot glued liquids arm on and now his arm mind controls him. It also changes his voice actor to the one for liquid, this confuses snake so much that his head literally explodes.

Now that Snake is dead forever. You have to play as gay raiden, a big stupid crybaby losers who doesn't even smoke. This time you have to infilitrate a remote military compound called Metal Moses, which was captured by a group of genetically enhanced genome super-soilders.

Raiden fights a magic vampire wizard then the wizards head pops off to reveal that he was actually solid snikes brother solidus snake, a super-cell-nano-con-mega-soilder cloned from the same nanomachines that created Solid Gear. Also he is is the president of the united states. "Brother, I am the KING OF THE PIRATES". Turns out Gas Snake is the leader of a deadcell nano-centro-processor duonamic simbafu group called The Sons of the Guns of the Patroits. tm

You see it turns out that everything so far was completely staged and fake. Liquid Snake was never the true ring leader at all, but was answering to Solidus Snake the entire time who was the biggest bad guy of them all. But then he gets double crossed by Ocelot who is actually Liquid who was actually a quadruple agent the whole time. and the biggest most evil bad guy of them all.

But Smetal Snake saw it coming all along and reveals that he is actually a proxy ai created by the patriots 1000 years ago, but Solidus reveals that Rayden has information that is being carried by the nanomachines in raydens cerebral cortex. You see shitty rayden is actualy a robot this whole time, working for le-lu-li-lo-la-la-low and the patriots but he didnt even know it because of the matrix.

So Rayden chops of doctor octopus's head off and becomes the president of the united states, but Solid snake was alive all along and goes back in time to the 1960s so he can blow up Metal Gear Solid before it was even created.

Unfortnuately he was too late, Ocelot also went back in time and shot metal gear ron into the the future with his future gun.
so metal gear snake has to shoot back into the future but now its so many years future hes old as shit, even though hes died from old age he has to defeat a group of renegade genome super-soilders known as the Sons of Foxhound. Liquid Ocelot who is now being mind controlled by 30 different double-agents through his left leg, turns off all the guns in the world so that nobody can ever shoot anybody ever again, in turn saving the entire world. So snake beats him to death.

the end

*guest starring big boss*

Big Boss : very convincing, but all completely wrong, you see snake turns out everything that ever happened was fake and staged by the super-patriots, the patriots were just a pawn and a reverse-triple agent working for solidus snake, but when he found out they were working for him he double crossed his own self in order to make himself work for them to trick them into being a triple reverse agent for his own self. hewas also a rogue proxy ai and a nanomachine you see snake shadow moses wasn't a remote nuclear warhead facility at all, it was actually a humongous on switch for the biggest metal gear in the world, metal gear herman. A metal gear so powerful that is so powerful that everything in the entire universe is not even existing anymore. You see snake Liquid Ocelot was actually my mother.
It all started when i was in office as the president of the c united states i discovered remnants of an ancient-nanograde-genome-supercon-simbaf­udrive--metal-gear which was a quintrople agent working for every country in the universe - on the moon.
he was also a rogue-ai and the leader of the super patriots.

When Big Boss isn't home

Big Boss right now:

YouTube

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So at the end of the game, you get a tape explaining that you are not Big Boss, but an exact duplicate created by Zero to protect the real Big Boss from his own organization. This scene is really really good, and I love Kiefer's mocap work when Venom Snake smirks and looks at himself in the mirror with this look of power.
But the last few seconds of this scene are extremely important! When he flips the tape over, there's a time jump to 1995. How do I know this? Be perceptive; in the reflection of the mirror, there is a Diamond Dogs emblem on the bathroom door.
However, when Venom flips the tape over, that emblem becomes an Outer Heaven logo, and outside you can hear gunfire and chaos. What's the other side of that tape labeled?
Operation N313 aka the operation Solid Snake goes on in Metal Gear 1.
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It can be safely assumed that whatever is on that N313 tape, Venom doesn't like it. He reads the info and immediately destroys a mirror in rage; that does not sound to me like the reaction of a happy man in a healthy partnership. Given the info we have, it can be reasonably assumed that Big Boss and Venom communicate through those cassette tapes; it can also be reasonably assumed that towards the end of Metal Gear 1, Venom Snake becomes aware of the fact that Solid Snake is coming to kill him and tries to sabotage that operation. During the game, your CO is Big Boss. He's basically the Campbell of Metal Gear 1; he gives you hints and suggestions on what to do. But suddenly, towards the end of the game, Big Boss contacts you on a new frequency and begins giving you bogus advice to try and sabotage your mission.
Real Big Boss's frequency: 120.85
Venom Snake's frequency: 120.13
This second Big Boss on the new frequency is Venom Snake trying to stall Solid Snake's mission. Now, what we see in MG1 is that the entire time, Big Boss is helpful in assisting Solid Snake in his mission to destroy Outer Heaven. We also know that Venom Snake contacts Solid and tries to stop the mission. If Big Boss didn't want Solid to kill Venom, he would have also worked to stop the mission, not assisted the whole time.
It isn't clear, and it will never be clear, what Big Boss's grand plan was for Operation Intrude N313.
As it stands in canon now, he expected Solid Snake to fail. Given the new information about Venom Snake, his motivations become even more nebulous. Killing Solid Snake is obviously in Big Boss's favor, but so would killing Venom Snake. Why? Venom Snake is one of the few individuals who knows of Big Boss's double and if he is capture alive would likely raise many uncomfortable questions for Big Boss in regards to his position within FOXHOUND.
The Outer Heaven uprising is intended to be a rebellion against the Patriots, but at some point it may have become obvious that it was going to fail. Venom Snake doesn't get the N313 tape until Snake has spent some time on his mission (you can hear him fighting outside the room Venom is in). At this point, it wouldn't be unreasonable for Big Boss to assume that the uprising was a failure, and that ultimately, the Patriots would destroy Outer Heaven. If Venom was captured, it is possible they could discover Big Boss's involvement in its founding.
So what about the damn MSX tape?
I think the tape contains Venom Snake's final mission: to die for the Big Boss legend. If Venom gives his life and takes responsibility for the uprising, Big Boss will be able to remain undercover and unharmed, ultimately allowing Venom to complete his mission as a lightning rod for Big Boss.
In the end, Venom gets the same mission that the US handed down to the Boss in MGS3: he is to die for his cause and will go down in history as a war criminal. No one will know who he was, no one will know what he sacrificed. His life, his face, his ideology, everything was to be taken by Big Boss and his legend. Big Boss does literally the same thing that the Philosophers/the US did to the Boss, the very thing he swore to stop so many years before.
Venom gets angry and rejects this mission; he punches the mirror and contacts Solid to try and stop the inevitable. In the end, Venom does what the Boss doesn't: he rejects his mission and implicates Big Boss in the whole thing. He tells Solid that he is Big Boss, causing Solid and everyone else to think that Big Boss had double crossed them and was simultaneously the leader of Outer Heaven and the CO of FOXHOUND, thus blowing Big Boss's cover. Solid kills Venom Snake, and Big Boss goes into hiding to build Zanzibar Land. And well, the rest is history.

Posted here to keep it safe for someone to read it.



Thank you, based Anon

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just btfo of sahlanthropus or however the fuck you spell it

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But suddenly, towards the end of the game, Big Boss contacts you on a new frequency and begins giving you bogus advice to try and sabotage your mission.
Real Big Boss's frequency: 120.85
Venom Snake's frequency: 120.13
This second Big Boss on the new frequency is Venom Snake trying to stall Solid Snake's mission.

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Excellent observation. It's so fitting that it makes you wonder if Kojima planned this twist from the beginning.

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It isn't clear, and it will never be clear, what Big Boss's grand plan was for Operation Intrude N313.

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Training Solid Snake to fight the Patriots. If he can single-handedly take down the best soldier on the planet, "Big Boss" (who is really Venom. Venom Snake > Big Boss in fighting skill, given his greater muscle mass. The difference is minimal, but still worth noting.), he can take on the organisation Big Boss has been fighting his whole life, and potentially win.

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The Outer Heaven uprising is intended to be a rebellion against the Patriots, but at some point it may have become obvious that it was going to fail.

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Probably because Outer Heaven was simply a military stronghold, whereas Zanzibarland was meant to be a truly sovereign nation of soldiers. The key difference between Ahab and Ishmael, was their intentions.

Not trying to contest, just adding some commentary to it.

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You can hear him [Solid Snake] fighting outside the room Venom is in.

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Ehhh... I'm yet to be convinced of this. The beginning establishes that Outer Heaven has become an atmosphere of "war without end", so it's only natural to hear gunfire and such in the background in a place that is perpetually in battle.

It's a nice thought but there's little to no evidence of it. Especially considering MG1's reliance on stealth rather than combat.

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I think the tape contains Venom Snake's final mission: to die for the Big Boss legend. If Venom gives his life and takes responsibility for the uprising, Big Boss will be able to remain undercover and unharmed, ultimately allowing Venom to complete his mission as a lightning rod for Big Boss. In the end, Venom gets the same mission that the US handed down to the Boss in MGS3: he is to die for his cause and will go down in history as a war criminal. No one will know who he was, no one will know what he sacrificed. His life, his face, his ideology, everything was to be taken by Big Boss and his legend. Big Boss does literally the same thing that the Philosophers/the US did to the Boss, the very thing he swore to stop so many years before.

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Now that's an interesting perspective.

I think the fact that Ahab was unconsentually transformed into Big Boss's phantom, which in turn meant that he was forced to give up his past, his identity and potentially other sacred things like family and friends, and then asked to die for someone else's cause, even though he had been fighting so that soldiers could fight for their own ideologies, would be enough to break him.

Would've been great if that was expressed in the actual game. It would also help demonstrate just how far gone Big Boss (Ishmael) is from his former self; how evil he has truly become.

Spoiler

But suddenly, towards the end of the game, Big Boss contacts you on a new frequency and begins giving you bogus advice to try and sabotage your mission.
Real Big Boss's frequency: 120.85
Venom Snake's frequency: 120.13
This second Big Boss on the new frequency is Venom Snake trying to stall Solid Snake's mission.

Spoiler

Excellent observation. It's so fitting that it makes you wonder if Kojima planned this twist from the beginning.

Spoiler

It isn't clear, and it will never be clear, what Big Boss's grand plan was for Operation Intrude N313.

Spoiler

Training Solid Snake to fight the Patriots. If he can single-handedly take down the best soldier on the planet, "Big Boss" (who is really Venom. Venom Snake > Big Boss in fighting skill, given his greater muscle mass. The difference is minimal, but still worth noting.), he can take on the organisation Big Boss has been fighting his whole life, and potentially win.

Spoiler

The Outer Heaven uprising is intended to be a rebellion against the Patriots, but at some point it may have become obvious that it was going to fail.

Spoiler

Probably because Outer Heaven was simply a military stronghold, whereas Zanzibarland was meant to be a truly sovereign nation of soldiers. The key difference between Ahab and Ishmael, was their intentions.

Not trying to contest, just adding some commentary to it.

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You can hear him [Solid Snake] fighting outside the room Venom is in.

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Ehhh... I'm yet to be convinced of this. The beginning establishes that Outer Heaven has become an atmosphere of "war without end", so it's only natural to hear gunfire and such in the background in a place that is perpetually in battle.

It's a nice thought but there's little to no evidence of it. Especially considering MG1's reliance on stealth rather than combat.

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I think the tape contains Venom Snake's final mission: to die for the Big Boss legend. If Venom gives his life and takes responsibility for the uprising, Big Boss will be able to remain undercover and unharmed, ultimately allowing Venom to complete his mission as a lightning rod for Big Boss. In the end, Venom gets the same mission that the US handed down to the Boss in MGS3: he is to die for his cause and will go down in history as a war criminal. No one will know who he was, no one will know what he sacrificed. His life, his face, his ideology, everything was to be taken by Big Boss and his legend. Big Boss does literally the same thing that the Philosophers/the US did to the Boss, the very thing he swore to stop so many years before.

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Now that's an interesting perspective.

I think the fact that Ahab was unconsentually transformed into Big Boss's phantom, which in turn meant that he was forced to give up his past, his identity and potentially other sacred things like family and friends, and then asked to die for someone else's cause, even though he had been fighting so that soldiers could fight for their own ideologies, would be enough to break him.

Would've been great if that was expressed in the actual game. It would also help demonstrate just how far gone Big Boss (Ishmael) is from his former self; how evil he has truly become.

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I saw it on FB and thought it would be good to post it. Certainly gives an interesting perspective on the whole thing. I imagine that at first, he was like 'Cool, I'm Big Boss!'

But afterwards it really started to sink into his mind and drive him a bit off the loopy end.

THAT WAS ONLY CHAPTER ONE?

THAT WAS ONLY CHAPTER ONE?

Yep.

Don't read spoiler tags until you've beaten chapter 46.

The guide has a character model of The Boss that looks like it would fit right in the game....

The guide has a character model of The Boss that looks like it would fit right in the game....

Scan it?

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Also, they already found The Boss's character model in the game's files (same place they found Chapter 3's title card, "Peace".

The fact that the PS4/X1 versions have 7 more gigabytes than the PC version leads me to believe a third chapter is ready as disc-locked content for later... which I'm going to have to fork over money for. /:

Considering Kojima straight-up said that the game would have flashbacks to the previous entires, and it doesn't, makes me believe this disc-locked shit is true.

I really hate to say this, like I REALLY hate to, but I would buy the third chapter/cut content.

I really hate to say this, like I REALLY hate to, but I would buy the third chapter/cut content.

Me too, brother.

It's like... my calling to know everything about MGS.

Metal Gear was the only thing... the only thing I was good at. But... at least I always paid for what I believed in...

My new school ID tbh fam

my hair is actually liquid-length but it's in a ponytail in the photo

The guide has a character model of The Boss that looks like it would fit right in the game....

Scan it?

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Also, they already found The Boss's character model in the game's files (same place they found Chapter 3's title card, "Peace".

The fact that the PS4/X1 versions have 7 more gigabytes than the PC version leads me to believe a third chapter is ready as disc-locked content for later... which I'm going to have to fork over money for. /:

I will tomorrow. It's probably just her model from the MGS3 3DS artwork but I dunno, it looks better