"I'll Keep Coming." | Death Stranding, A Kojima Productions Thread

It would have been so fucking sweet to be able to deploy via a HALO jump

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Anyone else getting real fucking sick of Quiet's incessant humming?

I actually find it helpful

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God, Huey couldn't be more full of shit when he yells 'revenge!' after he kills Skull Face. What a douchebag.

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So anyway the parasites work by covering the host entirely, acting as a second skin that gives them superpowers. Quiet has these parasites. Occasionally, when she's shifting between visible and invisible, you can see raw muscle and sinew that gets covered in skin. Remember how she was burned at the start of the game? Do the math. She'd best thank her lucky shit she has those parasites keeping her sexy since she certainly wouldn't look like that without them.

Elegiac has ruined FOX and FOXHOUND for me

That's honestly what I'm thinking. There's no way Kojima'd pull that.

You forget, MGS2 was a thing. The build up to it resembles 5 a lot. Only not so in your face about it.

Where can I see all the animals I've saved?

Two Wolves, Two Bears, a shit ton of hedgehogs and sheep, and a wide variety of birds.

There's an animal conservation platform that you can't access by foot, you get the chopper to take you there.

Is it your birthday, Liquid? Happy birthday.

I'm just gonna accept my own idea that Venom Snake

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was Jack Bauer and he got turned into Big Boss

I scanned some of the art from my guide. Sorry some of them are a bit squiff.

There's no spoilers in here I'm just spoilering it for space

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That's honestly what I'm thinking. There's no way Kojima'd pull that.

You forget, MGS2 was a thing. The build up to it resembles 5 a lot. Only not so in your face about it.

Except that MGS2 was intentionally bad about it.

It's not the same, trust me.

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The lyrics suddenly make a lot more sense now.

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I'm searching for a whole new beginning
An endless void
This notion that I sense within me
You're still by my side

Oh, I feel your presence
You'll never leave here
But if I reach out there to hold you
Every part that's real disappears

As I become more present now
I can't see through the pain
A hollow cut through my veins
(the phantom takes his toll)

The days that just keep on coming
The stain that they leave
I wish I could break this casket
But I'm left here to grieve
In a world of my own design

As I become more present now
I can't see through the pain
A hollow cut through my veins
(the shadows takes their toll)

And did you leave me anything?
You're the phantom of my past...
Do you expect me to last, this way?
(a scar and a phantom pain)

You know, my first impressions about the ending pissed me off.

I was always a "Journey is better than destination" kinda grill (still am), but it rubbed me the wrong way.

However

Since I've had 24 hours to really process it, I think I'm okay with it .

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And honestly, it doesn't make Big Boss out to be a good guy like I first thought. Like said before, he's still a manipulative bastard who BETRAYED HIS CLOSEST AND BEST FRIEND.

Someone who would go with him to hell and back. Someone he loved really. So yeah, in the end Big Boss was still honestly a bad guy, and his whole nations without borders is stupid too because they can do whatever they want with little to no repercussions. That's bad.

The recon is kinda cool I guess for MGS 1 (And honestly, the fact he's able to keep Metal Gear 1 still canon for almost the majority of it is saying something from how long ago it was) and fitting I guess.

I honestly feel sorry for Venom Snake. He was a soldier who gave his undovoted service to, and threw himself in front of Boss to protect him. He was willing to sacrafice his life for his leader. He put the mission first like The Boss would say.

What does he get? A big fuck you from him. So honestly, I think Big Boss got what he deserved. He deserved to die, and then finally see the light at the end in MGS4. Great anti-hero really.


Oh, and Liquid is still a little bitch. What a shit character.

"I'll surpass you!" he says as a kid

Then just bitches his whole life and blames Solid.

So that makes 3 people...?

I didn't beat it yet, but I got spoilers over time and said screw it and just read.

Still haven't seen the cutscenes though. I want SOME suspense.

gotcha

I was always a "Journey is better than destination" kinda grill (still am), but it rubbed me the wrong way.

Both the journey and the destination suck, though.

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Like said before, he's still a manipulative bastard who BETRAYED HIS CLOSEST AND BEST FRIEND.

Kaz? No, he didn't. Kaz only took it that way.

So yeah, in the end Big Boss was still honestly a bad guy, and his whole nations without borders is stupid too because they can do whatever they want with little to no repercussions.

1. They can't do what they want with little to no repercussions. No more than any other nation.

2. Big Boss has been a bad guy since the end of Peace Walker, where he went completely against The Boss's will.

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You people have a bad habit of making shit out to be better than it actually is.

The ending wasn't handled with anything but clumsiness. The story wasn't about revenge, turning into demons, or a fall from grace like the trailers advertised.

Big Boss had little to no emotion regarding revenge.

I don't want to think of it negatively in case it makes me think even worse of the game. I want to like it so I'll keep it that way.

Like, it's such an awkward game.

On the one hand, the gameplay is -- literally -- flawless.

On the other hand, the story is completely underwhelming.

Something must have happened behind the scenes. I can't allow myself to believe this is how Kojima wanted to end the series.

Side note, I've reached maximum GMP quantity lol

I think it only shows the series was just getting... old.

He's been at it for over 20 years. I like to think of Old Snake as Kojima and Big Boss as the fans.

"Let it go. It's time to put aside the game."

Seriously, great series, but it's reached the point where the games stories just aren't anything amazing anymore.

3 was the last great one. Peace Walker was pretty good in its ending bit with nukes.

But its time we let the Snakes finally rest. Honestly, I think Revengeance did so well in story BECAUSE it was free from the strict story of anything before MGS4.

I was always a "Journey is better than destination" kinda grill (still am), but it rubbed me the wrong way.

Both the journey and the destination suck, though.

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Like said before, he's still a manipulative bastard who BETRAYED HIS CLOSEST AND BEST FRIEND.

Kaz? No, he didn't. Kaz only took it that way.

So yeah, in the end Big Boss was still honestly a bad guy, and his whole nations without borders is stupid too because they can do whatever they want with little to no repercussions.

1. They can't do what they want with little to no repercussions. No more than any other nation.

2. Big Boss has been a bad guy since the end of Peace Walker, where he went completely against The Boss's will.

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You people have a bad habit of making shit out to be better than it actually is.

The ending wasn't handled with anything but clumsiness. The story wasn't about revenge, turning into demons, or a fall from grace like the trailers advertised.

Big Boss had little to no emotion regarding revenge.

I meant journey as in gameplay and all that. I'll still have to see the final cutscenes for it all, but yeah.

And like many things in story telling, it was better when the Patriots were left this ambiguous entity.

I hated that 4 just said "oh these cool and loveable people from 3? Yeah they're actually really evil and twisted."

I think Kojima did bad writing on that, but was forced to throw them in 4 so it showed fans 3 wasn't an unnecessary oneshot, even though that was the intention.

I think it only shows the series was just getting... old.

If anything, this game proves Metal Gear is still on top.

Seriously, great series, but it's reached the point where the games stories just aren't anything amazing anymore.

How do you quantify that? You're the only one I've ever met who didn't like Peace Walker. A lot of people say it's on-par with the original 3. That was 2 games ago (1 if you don't count Ground Zeroes).

Let's not pretend that it's the series's fault for not being good anymore. I could've come up with a better plot than this; it has nothing to do with the franchise's age.

I hated that 4 just said "oh these cool and loveable people from 3? Yeah they're actually really evil and twisted."

I think Kojima did bad writing on that, but was forced to throw them in 4 so it showed fans 3 wasn't an unnecessary oneshot, even though that was the intention.

No. Like everything, MGS4 is just needless pandering to fan desires. That's all it is.

And if anything, MGSV could've rectified those mistakes -- easily.

I think it only shows the series was just getting... old.

If anything, this game proves Metal Gear is still on top.

didn't you just say the story sucks?

didn't you just say the story sucks?

Yeah... so? I wasn't talking about the story, obviously.

I hated that 4 just said "oh these cool and loveable people from 3? Yeah they're actually really evil and twisted."

i actually kinda like the sound of that, because it just kinda shows the dynamic of... being
it's often said that there's no evil--just evil motives and warped viewpoints of what is good

unless you're saying it was executed poorly

I hated that 4 just said "oh these cool and loveable people from 3? Yeah they're actually really evil and twisted."

i actually kinda like the sound of that, because it just kinda shows the dynamic of... being
it's often said that there's no evil--just evil motives and warped viewpoints of what is good

unless you're saying it was executed poorly

Snake's former CO, Zero, went from a 007-loving British geek to the all-powerful antagonist of the entire series
Snake's former medic, Paramedic, went from a quiet, movie-loving shut-in to a sociopathic doctor that routinely performed morally questionable (at best) acts on Snake's most trusted ally (Fox)

Yeah it's pretty bad. If you ever get around to playing them you'll see what I mean.

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And no no, I gave Peace Walker another chance on Ps3 and loved it. I couldn't finish it in time for 5, so I watched the movie.

That being said, I thought the story was great. I told another friend I thought it was as good as 3's.

As for age, yeah. The story of MGS is just stale now. We've covered everything except Raiden in between MGS 2 and 4.

And Kojima is sick of the series. He's wanted to end it since 2001.

And we all know it won't be food WITHOUT Kojima, so yeah.

Only metal gear game id get now is a remake of Metal Gear, or Revengeance 2. The second being far more likely.