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"Liquid was genetically superior to Solid - he got the genes that made him a superior soldier, the genes that affected Big Boss's soldier traits, which would have been the dominant ones unless the majority of his traits were recessive."

Many recessive traits ARE superior

Like do you even genetics. 20/20 vision is recessive. Not being a midget is recessive.

Yeah, it's not unreasonable to assume that all of BB's "soldier genes" were recessive, and the only dominant genes he possessed were dark hair and blue eyes (though I'm pretty sure blue eyes are recessive.)

To me it just seems like Plotmaster is trying to save face or something...

Like it's okay to be wrong dude. No one is going to think less of you.


 
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Plotmaster always tries to be that snarky smartass guy on the sidelines, so.

Admitting that he's making himself out to be a total fuckwit would be out of character for him.


 
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Well now I feel like I've been wasting my time with this whole debate...

You guys on the "sidelines". In your opinion, who's winning this debate - me or Plotmaster?


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I stopped reading the arguments, actually.


 
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I stopped reading the arguments, actually.

I'm guessing you don't feel the need to read through them to find out, huh?


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Many recessive traits ARE superior

I brought this up already, as it explains how Solid was more resistant to FoxDie than the rest of his family. Could also explain how he ended up winning against his brother and father despite being supposedly genetically inferior, but that goes against the tone of the series.

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If solid had the recessive traits it's impossible for him to have brown hair and eyes unless he dyed them and wore colored contacts all the time...

Liquid had the same brown hair until it was bleached blonde by the sun somehow, and he had the same eyes as Big Boss because his physical traits all matched his father's. I don't see what your point is; both he and his brother were physically identical to their parent.


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To me it just seems like Plotmaster is trying to save face or something...

That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I was convinced you were right about halfway through page two, but the idea of admitting it made me want to wretch.


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I stopped reading the arguments, actually.

I'm guessing you don't feel the need to read through them to find out, huh?
My interest waned steadily the longer it went on.


 
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To me it just seems like Plotmaster is trying to save face or something...

That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I was convinced you were right about halfway through page two, but the idea of admitting it made me want to wretch.

Wow, really? Like, that's okay. I'm just really surprised you admitted it, lol. Impressed, really.

I actually respect you a lot more now (not that I didn't respect you before, you're actually one of my favourite users). Kudos to you for doing the right thing.


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To me it just seems like Plotmaster is trying to save face or something...

That's exactly what I'm trying to do. I was convinced you were right about halfway through page two, but the idea of admitting it made me want to wretch.

Wow, really? Like, that's okay. I'm just really surprised you admitted it, lol. Impressed, really.

I actually respect you a lot more now (not that I didn't respect you before, you're actually one of my favourite users). Kudos to you for doing the right thing.

One thing I still disagree with, though, is Solid being superior to Big Boss. The end of MGS4 made it pretty clear the latter could kick the former's ass if he felt like it.


 
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One thing I still disagree with, though, is Solid being superior to Big Boss. The end of MGS4 made it pretty clear the latter could kick the former's ass if he felt like it.

Um... how? Because he managed to out-maneuver an old, incredibly sick, dying, probably traumatized (from his recent near-suicide) Snake? I hardly think that counts, especially since Snake has beat BB's ass twice, and while BB was in control of a Metal Gear.


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One thing I still disagree with, though, is Solid being superior to Big Boss. The end of MGS4 made it pretty clear the latter could kick the former's ass if he felt like it.

Um... how? Because he managed to out-maneuver an old, incredibly sick, dying, probably traumatized (from his recent near-suicide) Snake? I hardly think that counts, especially since Snake has beat BB's ass twice, and while BB was in control of a Metal Gear.

Boss just came back from coma-death and was in about the same condition as Snake. He was also sixty when they fought in Outer Heaven while Snake was as young and spry as a clone can be. Second time was due to quick MacGuyvering on Snake's part, not hand-to-hand combat - and again, Boss was an old fucker at the time.

Also, Big Boss wasn't even trying to fight him and still managed to get the advantage over a man who was fully prepared to kill him.

So, the way I see it, young, healthy Snake > older Big Boss > Old Snake. Not sure how MGS3 and 5 Boss stack up though.


 
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So, the way I see it, young, healthy Snake > older Big Boss > Old Snake. Not sure how MGS3 and 5 Boss stack up though.

I suppose this issue is a little bit less black-and-white than our previous argument. I've always assumed that Solid was thought to be superior to his father, in-universe.

I think Naked Snake would get curbstomped by Solid Snake, just because Jack gets 50 shades of fucked by The Bossin Snake Eater. But yeah, we'll have to see how Venom Snake performs.

Still, I think in their prime, Solid is better than Big Boss. That's what I think we've been led to believe, anyway.


 
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I don't understand this meme,

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Basically, the guy you see in the picture on the plane is David Hayter, the original voice actor for Solid Snake/Big Boss until the last MGS game, Peace Walker.

When Kojima started working on MGSV, he declined to offer Hayter the position of Big Boss and offered it to Kiefer Sutherland instead. This caused a HUGE backlash from the community, who absolutely loved Hayter.

What you're seeing in the gif is a modded MGSV: Ground Zeroes, where the main guy wearing the hat represents Kiefer's Big Boss, and he's using that machinery to "erase" Hayter from the game, as a sort of "fuck you" to Hayter because he got the role of BB instead of him.


I play superior games such as Splinter Cell.

I've actually never played Splinter Cell but I know Snake would kick Fisher's ass.


 
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I don't understand this meme,

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Basically, the guy you see in the picture on the plane is David Hayter, the original voice actor for Solid Snake/Big Boss until the last MGS game, Peace Walker.

When Kojima started working on MGSV, he declined to offer Hayter the position of Big Boss and offered it to Kiefer Sutherland instead. This caused a HUGE backlash from the community, who absolutely loved Hayter.

What you're seeing in the gif is a modded MGSV: Ground Zeroes, where the main guy wearing the hat represents Kiefer's Big Boss, and he's using that machinery to "erase" Hayter from the game, as a sort of "fuck you" to Hayter because he got the role of BB instead of him.


I play superior games such as Splinter Cell.

I've actually never played Splinter Cell but I know Snake would kick Fisher's ass.
LOL

You're implying he'd ever see him coming.

Nope. Just an analysis of both character's skillsets.

YouTube


 
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But it gets ridiculous in Peace Walker. I think that was the point where Kojima was like "Okay, we need someone else." He does a really good job with delivery, I just don't think the voice works all that well with BB.
Thank you. I felt the same way, it was so bad.


 
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But it gets ridiculous in Peace Walker. I think that was the point where Kojima was like "Okay, we need someone else." He does a really good job with delivery, I just don't think the voice works all that well with BB.
Thank you. I felt the same way, it was so bad.

Still the second best Metal Gear tho