rip in patriots hayter

i don't get it

Basically, the guy you see in the picture on the plane is David Hayter, the original voice actor for Solid Snake/Big Boss until the last MGS game, Peace Walker.

When Kojima started working on MGSV, he declined to offer Hayter the position of Big Boss and offered it to Kiefer Sutherland instead. This caused a HUGE backlash from the community, who absolutely loved Hayter.

What you're seeing in the gif is a modded MGSV: Ground Zeroes, where the main guy wearing the hat represents Kiefer's Big Boss, and he's using that machinery to "erase" Hayter from the game, as a sort of "fuck you" to Hayter because he got the role of BB instead of him.

voice acting is serious business

voice acting is serious business

It can be. I have a lot of respect for good actors, and voice acting is arguably more difficult. The only thing you can use is your voice.

Unless you have that mocap shit but whatev

Did Hayter do the same voice for Snake and BB, or did he make them sound different?

Not, it was a more gradual change over time.

For example, his MGS1/MGS2 voices are nearly identical.

MGS3's has a little bit more gruff to it, but it's far more awkward than future games and I equate this Snake's voice to a pre-pubescent dude trying to get used to his new, manly voice.

Portable Ops has a little bit more gruff, IIRC. This is the game I'm least familiar with.

And in MGS4, he sounds like a mix of Groot from Guardians of the Galaxy and Aiden Pierce if he smoked 10 cartons of cigarettes a day. I mean, it makes sense, since Old Snake is dying and stuff. And I think his MGS4 performance is his best. But it gets ridiculous in Peace Walker. I think that was the point where Kojima was like "Okay, we need someone else." He does a really good job with delivery, I just don't think the voice works all that well with BB.

Quote from: Le Mon man on July 28, 2015, 04:57:58 PM

Did Hayter do the same voice for Snake and BB, or did he make them sound different?

He made BB sound the same as MGS1/2 Solid Snake, but obviously not MGS 4's.

That's dumb.
They shouldn't have sounded the same.

why shouldn't they sound the same

isn't solid snake big boss's clone or some shit

Quote from: Verbatim on July 28, 2015, 05:08:56 PM

why shouldn't they sound the same

isn't solid snake big boss's clone or some shit

so?
you don't inherit how you sound

that's like saying identical twins should sound the same after living on opposite sides of the world for half their lives

but why does it matter so much

it's not like the games really strive to be hyper-realistic

so?
you don't inherit how you sound

that's like saying identical twins should sound the same after living on opposite sides of the world for half their lives

Well that last point is kind of irrelevant as Solid grew up in the same part of the BB did...

I mean, being a clone of someone would mean that you'd have the same vocal chords as your clone, so in reality, you'd probably sound like them. I think that's how they got away with Liquid sounding different. He grew up in Britain.

Quote from: Snake on July 28, 2015, 05:17:18 PM

Quote from: Le Mon man on July 28, 2015, 05:11:16 PM

so?
you don't inherit how you sound

that's like saying identical twins should sound the same after living on opposite sides of the world for half their lives

Well that last point is kind of irrelevant as Solid grew up in the same part of the BB did...

I mean, being a clone of someone would mean that you'd have the same vocal chords as your clone, so in reality, you'd probably sound like them. I think that's how they got away with Liquid sounding different. He grew up in Britain.

There's other factors that affect your voice, like damage and smoking

Sure. But I'm just playing devils advocate, that two perfect clones would likely sound identical given Solid's upbringing in comparison to BB. BTW, we also know that both BB and Solid smoked quite a bit.

Good thing we know Solid isn't an exact clone of BB.

Hayter was good but I don't think he'd fit at all in TPP.

Quote from: Verbatim on July 28, 2015, 05:08:56 PM

why shouldn't they sound the same

isn't solid snake big boss's clone or some shit

Yeah, "they're clones". But not really.

Solid got BB's dominant genes, Liquid got BB's recessive genes. Solidus got a mixture of dominant/recessive genes (whichever ones were superior. "A well balanced masterpiece", he was called.) So none of them are really clones of BB, as to be a perfect clone would mean an identical genetic template.

And not to mention that these games make a point of giving each of BB's "sons" different voices. Liquid doesn't sound like Solid, none of them sound like Solidus. . .

scientifically, this made me cringe.

The one receiving only recessive traits would most likely have some sort of disability/disorders and the one receiving only dominant genes would probably have extra appendages or fucked up digits unless bb was like genetically perfect.

The part of "Kojima knowing nothing about genetics" was because everyone thought he was implying that recessive=inferior, which isn't true. It's not Hideo's fault people are stupid.