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I don't think you understand my depressed edge-lord.

Feminism is specifically for WOMEN, not everyone. Unlike, Egalitarianism.
You said that in order to be an Egalitarian you have to be a Feminist, that doesn't make sense if you're advocating for one group of people. You doublethinking, dunce.
So, by your logic, nothing has parts. A sandwich does not have bread or lettuce or tomatoes. It's just a sandwich.

Sure, maybe if you're a complete shithead.

For intelligent people, though, we're capable of realizing that egalitarianism is a broad viewpoint that MUST INCLUDE feminism in order to be valid. If you exclude feminism, you don't have egalitarianism. Because if you're not a feminist, you're saying that women don't deserve to be equal. That they shouldn't be equal.

You can't be an egalitarian if you're not a feminist. Feminism and masculism are both necessary components of egalitarianism, and if you don't believe that women should have equal rights, then you can't be an egalitarian.
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I don't think you understand my depressed edge-lord.

Feminism is specifically for WOMEN, not everyone. Unlike, Egalitarianism.
You said that in order to be an Egalitarian you have to be a Feminist, that doesn't make sense if you're advocating for one group of people. You doublethinking, dunce.


 egalitarianism is a broad viewpoint
 

Hey, hey dumbass.

That's the point, it covers all the bases. You can't be an egalitarian if you don't believe in equality for all, period. That's it, you're doing these mental gymnastics to include these groups when they only focus on "X" group, not all groups. Which is why saying you're a part of Feminism, then saying Egalitarianism is retarded. Two, different groups. One, includes all, the other includes/is for women. The double think is real. Which is it advocacy for woman or all? Of course, this shit gets all turned around in your head and is the same.


 
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That's the point, it covers all the bases. You can't be an egalitarian if you don't believe in equality for all, period.
Exactly.

So that means you're a feminist. And a masculist. And a whatever-else-ist. They are all necessary ingredients of egaliarianism, and choosing to ignore those labels because you have one big super label instead is arbitrary and retarded.

It seems to me that you're just SCARED TO DEATH of being associated with feminism, so you pretend as though you're not one--but if you claim to be an egalitarian, that means you are also a feminist. Period.

Get over it.

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Which is why saying you're a part of Feminism, then saying Egalitarianism is retarded.
When in the FUCK did I ever say egalitarianism was retarded? Ever?

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Which is it advocacy for woman or all?
All.

Which includes women.

Which means you're a feminist.

Cry about it.
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How unbelievably braindead do you have to be to NOT realize you can be a feminist and a masculist at the same time?

And that when you combine feminism and masculism, you GET egalitarianism?


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That's the point, it covers all the bases. You can't be an egalitarian if you don't believe in equality for all, period.
Exactly.

 

 
 

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Which is why saying you're a part of Feminism, then saying Egalitarianism is retarded.


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Which is it advocacy for woman or all?


 
 

"When in the FUCK did I ever say egalitarianism as retarded? Ever?"

A little too literal, are we?

"but if you claim to be an egalitarian, that means you are also a feminist. Period."

I've shown you the definitions, and pointed out the contradictions for you in your reasoning. I guess you can't fix
stupid.

"All.

Which includes women."

CORRECT!

"Which means you're a feminist."

Feminism is for women, not all.
ERRR! Dumbass.
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I've shown you the definitions
The definitions only helped my point. There were no contradictions whatsoever.

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Feminism is for women, not all.
Doesn't matter. If you think women should have equal rights, you're a feminist whether you like it or not.

Your tears are fucking delicious.


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And that when you combine feminism and masculism, you GET egalitarianism?

If you're an egalitarian, than saying you're a feminist and masculist is both pointless and redundant.  Because you've already covered all the bases. If you only say, "I'm an egalitarian and feminist!" (An example, my literal friend). Choose advocacy for all or advocacy for women. Egalitariansim isn't covered by feminism or masculism alone.


 
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If you're an egalitarian, than saying you're a feminist and masculist is both pointless and redundant.
Just because you consider it pointless and redundant doesn't make it any less true.

Egalitariansim isn't covered by feminism or masculism alone.
And I never said it was. In fact, I testified to that very fact already. Too braindead to notice, I guess.
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I've shown you the definitions
The definitions only helped my point. There were no contradictions whatsoever.

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Feminism is for women, not all.
Doesn't matter. 
Your tears are fucking delicious.

No, details do matter, you're an idiot.
What's with you 'n tears? The depression talking?


 
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No, details do matter, you're an idiot.
If details mattered to you, then you'd admit to being a feminist and masculist on top of being an egalitarian.


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If you're an egalitarian, than saying you're a feminist and masculist is both pointless and redundant.
Just because you consider it pointless and redundant doesn't make it any less true.

Feminism or Masculism cannot support egalitarianism alone. If you're already a Egalitarian, than you've already covered the bases. I'll remind you of the definitions of both.

Feminism - the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
Masculism -  is a movement that advocates for the rights, equality and dignity of the male sex in an egalitarian framework.

So to say that you're an Egalitarian (Equality for ALL), then say, I'm a feminist (A group that advocates for one group) is contradictory.


 
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Feminism or Masculism cannot support egalitarianism alone.
And when the fuck did I say otherwise?

Oh yeah, never.

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So to say that you're an Egalitarian (Equality for ALL), then say, I'm a feminist (A group that advocates for one group) is contradictory.
No, it isn't. There's nothing about supporting women's rights that contradicts supporting the rights of everybody.

NOTHING. So you don't understand what a contradiction is.

You would have a point if feminism was about taking AWAY rights from men, which it fucking isn't. That would be a contradiction.


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Feminism or Masculism cannot support egalitarianism alone.
And when the fuck did I say otherwise?

Oh yeah, never.

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So to say that you're an Egalitarian (Equality for ALL), then say, I'm a feminist (A group that advocates for one group) is contradictory.
No, it isn't. There's nothing about supporting women's rights that contradicts supporting the rights of everybody.

 

Because that group is specifically for women, not all. How you can't see that is beyond me. If feminism actually covered everybody and didn't takeaway or didn't exclude anyone, then Egalitarianism wouldn't be a thing.


 
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Because that group is specifically for women, not all.
BREAD IS NOT SANDWICH

THEREFORE, SANDWICH DOESN'T HAVE BREAD

Fuck you.


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Because that group is specifically for women, not all.
BREAD IS NOT SANDWICH

THEREFORE, SANDWICH DOESN'T HAVE BREAD

Fuck you.

Is your hunger the cause of your edge?


 
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Is your hunger the cause of your edge?
Is your stupidity the cause of your retardation?


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Is your hunger the cause of your edge?
Is your stupidity the cause of your retardation?

If I'm retarded, than I don't know what you are. Oh wait, I know. "The God of Everything". You edgy, little bitch. lol. You didn't disappoint, nice talk. I had fun, I hope you did. See ya.


 
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If I'm retarded, than I don't know what you are. Oh wait, I know. "The God of Everything". You edgy, little bitch. lol. You didn't disappoint, nice talk. I had fun, I hope you did. See ya.
Kill yourself.


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That was enjoyable.

Imma make a sandwich, want one Verb?


 
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I expected something mostly about boob armor and chainmail bikinis from a realism side of things regarding immersion breaking and historical examples of actual female fitted armor... I don't now why I did. I wish I didn't, because now I'm pretty disappointed by that transcript.


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The thing i hear about Bayonetta is that shes aware of her sexuality and embraces it. Is that so wrong?

Shit like Quiet is just silly but if you tie 'bikini armor' to something then i dont see the issue.
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So to say that you're an Egalitarian (Equality for ALL), then say, I'm a feminist (A group that advocates for one group) is contradictory.
I didn't bother to read through your entire argument with Verb because I'm feeling pretty lazy, but I think I get the gist of why he's upset with you. Feminism is simply the belief that women should be treated equally to men, which falls under the definition of egalitarianism; that being the belief that everyone should be equal. Just because you don't personally identify with the feminist cause, doesn't mean that you aren't one. What you're arguing is essentially the same as a biologist claiming that they aren't a scientist.


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So to say that you're an Egalitarian (Equality for ALL), then say, I'm a feminist (A group that advocates for one group) is contradictory.
I didn't bother to read through your entire argument with Verb because I'm feeling pretty lazy, but I think I get the gist of why he's upset with you. Feminism is simply the belief that women should be treated equally to men, which falls under the definition of egalitarianism; that being the belief that everyone should be equal. Just because you don't personally identify with the feminist cause, doesn't mean that you aren't one. What you're arguing is essentially the same as a biologist claiming that they aren't a scientist.

All I'm saying is that you can't be both. In short, feminism is for one group, ega is for all groups. That simple. Feminism is the advocacy for women, Ega is advocacy for all. So I disagree when people say they are the same thing or twist it in their head where they need to be a feminist. You don't need to be a part of A or B group, when C group already includes components from both groups A/B. It's redundant.   If anything, people are trying to keep a dead horse alive in the West.  But that's just me, if you disagree. That's cool, I was just being a dickhead before and I'd rather not have long back and forth. So yea..peace.


 
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It is logically impossible not to be both. They are inextricably intertwined.
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That was enjoyable.

Imma make a sandwich, want one Verb?
He can only eat tomato and mayo sammich.


 
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That was enjoyable.

Imma make a sandwich, want one Verb?
He can only eat tomato and mayo sammich.
Can't have mayo, actually. Shit has dairy. Oops I'm wrong, but it does contain egg.
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In short, feminism is for one group, ega is for all groups. That simple. Feminism is the advocacy for women, Ega is advocacy for all.
I'm really not sure what it is that you're missing here. Feminism is just a description of a set of beliefs that falls under the definition of egalitarianism. Egalitarians believe that everyone should be equal, right? Cool, that's egalitarianism. Feminism is the belief that women should be equal to men, right? Cool, that's feminism. Under the definition of egalitarianism, you believe that women should be equal to men, yes? So you are, by definition, a feminist. It's not possible to be an egalitarian and not subscribe to the idea of feminism.


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That was enjoyable.

Imma make a sandwich, want one Verb?
He can only eat tomato and mayo sammich.

Is that a thing?