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Thanks for more proof that you are the main reason Verb.


 
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Thanks for more proof that you are the main reason Verb.
You wanted it, you got it.


 
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Your arguments always boil down to "I'm right because I say so". That's not really a legitimate argument, but whatever dude.
"We have better graphics!" In your opinion.
"We have better frame rates!" In your opinion.
"It's cheaper!" No it isn't.
These aren't opinions, Verb. PC has a higher range of graphics and almost always has a more stable frame rate, along with games going on sale for far cheaper than Xbox or PS4 do unless it's a summer event or something.

The only opinion in that list was the better games one.
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Your arguments always boil down to "I'm right because I say so". That's not really a legitimate argument, but whatever dude.
Because that's what a PC gamer's argument always boils down to.

"We have better graphics!" In your opinion.
"We have better frame rates!" In your opinion.
"It's cheaper!" No it isn't.
These aren't opinions, Verb.
Yes, they are. Whether you think something looks better based solely on the fact that it has more polygons is an opinion. I might think it looks like garbage.

Wind Waker is low-poly by today's standards, but there's no game on the market right now--NOT EVEN THE HD REMAKE--that I think looks better than the original Gamecube release of Wind Waker. It's one of the most visually stunning games of all time to me. But it's not Uncharted 4. I don't like Uncharted 4's graphics. They don't impress me.

Realism =/= good. If you think Uncharted 4's graphics are good, that is your opinion.

The same goes for frame rate. I might think certain games look way better in 0.00001fps than 1200fps, and you can't say anything about that. You can't tell me that my perspective is wrong.
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PC gamers are incapable of arguing facts, so I demonstrate that by being an elitist myself.
I play games on PC and I'm arguing with you on a level headed and understanding platform I think.

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To show how fucking stupid you are. That's the point.
Please stop with the personal insults. Really, it's not making any of this fun and it just gets nasty.[/quote]

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I'm not allowed to be dogmatic, but PC gamers are. Cool hypocrisy, bro.
I think you already made your point on that a few pages ago.


 
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Yes, they are. Whether you think something looks better based solely on the fact that it has more polygons is an opinion. I might think it looks like garbage.
When you say better graphics, you're implying (at least from what I gathered), which could run the game at higher settings and a more crisp picture. You went on to Wind Waker, which takes a completely different art direction. I agree with you that games that go for art like that hold up over time far longer than games that go for a realistic look. But I feel you should approach what you say with against the arguer, with the same logic you use to defend your points.

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Realism =/= good. If you think Uncharted 4's graphics are good, that is your opinion.
Like this for example. I could say the exact same thing you just did, only swapping it around for Wind Waker. I feel there is no consistency in the points you make sometimes. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who loves Wind Waker too. I think it's the best 3D Zelda (2D being Link to the Past).

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The same goes for frame rate. I might think certain games look way better in 0.00001fps than 1200fps.
If you re-read what I said, I stated more STABLE frame rates. As in, it doesn't dip down as much. It's the reason I dislike Revelations 2 on PS4 more so than Xbone (at least before the fix). It constantly dipped down to 24 frames or lower and was just jarring. If a game is 60fps but is constantly dropping, as opposed to a stable 30 frames, you're correct in thinking I'd take the 30fps. I'm not coming from a "LOL 60fps always better" standpoint when I stated that.
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Could I buy a good gaming PC for the same price as a new console?

Explain
"Good" would be stretching it, but you can get an acceptable PC for that kind of money. You won't run recent games on max settings at 60fps in 1080p or 4K, but you'll probably be able to run them on low to mid settings.

I don't really care about super HD graphics anyway. Would I be able to play most games, have mods, record and stream gameplay etc?


 
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I play games on PC and I'm arguing with you on a level headed and understanding platform I think.
You are, and I thank you for that. Unfortunately, nobody else is.

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I think you already made your point on that a few pages ago.
I have, but not everybody is getting the message. Even you--you're still under the impression that just because PC is capable of producing more polygons than a console can, that somehow makes the graphics "better." Sure, that's your opinion, but in what way does it look better to you? What makes it objectively better?

The fact that it looks more realistic? What if I don't care about realism? What if I think less realism is better?

You fail to grasp these alternate perspectives, and it's just more shades of PC elitism to me. No, your platform isn't better because it has more processing power. What's important is if it looks good to the individual player, and what looks good to the individual player is going to vary. It's subjective. That's just the way it is.


 
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I addressed that point in my other post, so I'll wait for you to reply to that one. I just want to re-state that when I say higher graphics, I don't mean realism. Like I said in the other post, I favor a creative art style over realism any day of the week anyway. It feels more intimate to me, more creative, and holds up longer over time.

When I think of better graphics, I think of things more so like how shadows looks, the lighting, and the anti-aliasing, along with Ambient Occlusion.

I suppose you could say shadows, and lighting are a big deal for me in games.
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You are the main cause.
Nope. Azumarill was, actually, for being the smug cunt that he always is.


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ΜΕΓΑ ΤΟ ΤΗΣ ΘΑΛΆΣΣΗΣ ΚΡΆΤΟΣ

Да ли је то истина или се само шалиш?
I couldn't give a fuckin shit. In mah opinion, tha only playas whoz ass is at liberty ta chizzle/add shiznit ta tha game is tha pimpers. Everyone else should leave tha game ridin' solo or make they own game. It aint nuthin but like pissin up in a museum.

If tha pimper supports it, like Bethesda do, thatz fine yo, but I still don't smoke wit dat shit. Would you wanna be playaz wit one of mah thugs whoz all gravy wit you pissin all over his house, biatch? I shizzle wouldn't.

"But mah playas has they own copy of tha game."

And you can do whatever you want. By all means, mod. Y'all KNOW dat shit, muthafucka! I just don't smoke wit it, n' I never will.

Thank you for this Ender.


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im v disappointed in everyone ITT. y'all should know better than to engage verb when he gets like this


 
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When you say better graphics, you're implying (at least from what I gathered), which could run the game at higher settings and a more crisp picture. You went on to Wind Waker, which takes a completely different art direction. I agree with you that games that go for art like that hold up over time far longer than games that go for a realistic look. But I feel you should approach what you say with against the arguer, with the same logic you use to defend your points.
Whenever I say "better graphics," I always put it in quotation marks, because the concept is meaningless to me from an objective standpoint. I don't know what "better graphics" is supposed to mean, but you sort of defined it for me here. You define it as "a more crisp picture."

All right, so you like crisp pictures. That's fine, but that's still just your opinion. Maybe I prefer grainy, jagged graphics, because it looks more like a video game to me. There's a familiar nuance to it that I just like. It's better to me.

Now, is it always better to me? No, I'm just saying, for the sake of argument, that graphics you'd consider "objectively" worse, because they're less crisp, someone else could actually prefer those graphics. And they're not just being contrarian--they genuinely like it more.

Therefore, one cannot be any better than the other, objectively speaking. As long as there's someone out there who says things like, "I prefer 8-bit pixel graphics to modern HD graphics," it's an opinionated subject, and it can't be cited as a fact.

The only thing you can say is this: The majority of people enjoy HD graphics. But since it's a lot easier to just say "it's better," that's what we've been conditioned to think. But that's not actually the truth.

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Like this for example. I could say the exact same thing you just did, only swapping it around for Wind Waker.
Yes, you could do that. I'm not trying to tell you that Wind Waker's style of graphics are objectively good--just that I really really like them. That's my opinion.

Are they better than Uncharted 4's graphics? I certainly think so. But that doesn't make it a fact.

Of course my own logic applies to my own opinions.

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If you re-read what I said, I stated more STABLE frame rates. As in, it doesn't dip down as much. It's the reason I dislike Revelations 2 on PS4 more so than Xbone (at least before the fix). It constantly dipped down to 24 frames or lower and was just jarring. If a game is 60fps but is constantly dropping, as opposed to a stable 30 frames, you're correct in thinking I'd take the 30fps. I'm not coming from a "LOL 60fps always better" standpoint when I stated that.
Again, believe it or not, someone might actually like unstable frame rates. They might think it enhances the experience in some way. Are you going to tell them that they're wrong?


 
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oh ok
Yes. And if you think PC is better, that's your opinion.

It's not objective. Nothing about it is objective, except for the not-having-to-worry-about-backwards-compatibility thing. That's pretty much the only thing you have.


 
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When I think of better graphics, I think of things more so like how shadows looks, the lighting, and the anti-aliasing, along with Ambient Occlusion.

I suppose you could say shadows, and lighting are a big deal for me in games.
My point in a sentence:

Everything you could ever dislike about a game's graphics, there's going to be someone out there who might actually like them--and that alone is what makes it subjective.
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oh ok
Yes. And if you think PC is better, that's your opinion.

It's not objective. Nothing about it is objective, except for the not-having-to-worry-about-backwards-compatibility thing. That's pretty much the only thing you have.
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>This fucking thread

Pip, I believe it's high time you ask for what little remains of this thread to be vaporized.


 
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>This fucking thread

Pip, I believe it's high time you ask for what little remains of this thread to be vaporized.
But requesting locke doesn't work tho


 
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Yeah, right in the middle of an actually good conversation, please. That would be so great if you just did that.


 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
The Whole Civ series
Age of Empires
RTS games bore me out of my mind. I'd have more fun watching water evaporate.

Try something more stimulating and fun to play.
HoI and EU are pretty mentally stimulating of you're going to play them right.


 
 
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>This fucking thread

Pip, I believe it's high time you ask for what little remains of this thread to be vaporized.
But requesting locke doesn't work tho
It does, but this last page seems somewhat polite enough to read without rolling my eyes. Ish.

Can you chaps discuss this nicely or do I need to lock it?



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>This fucking thread

Pip, I believe it's high time you ask for what little remains of this thread to be vaporized.
But requesting locke doesn't work tho
It does, but this last page seems somewhat polite enough to read without rolling my eyes. Ish.

Can you chaps discuss this nicely or do I need to lock it?
no, they cant. yes, you do


 
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Again, believe it or not, someone might actually like unstable frame rates. They might think it enhances the experience in some way. Are you going to tell them that they're wrong?
I don't believe it because I've never met anyone who actually legitimately prefers that. I feel like you're just against the argument for the sake of going against it. Usually with devils advocate you throw the other side of the perspective at someone, however I've not met anyone or heard anyone support this perspective you're presenting.


 
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Again, believe it or not, someone might actually like unstable frame rates. They might think it enhances the experience in some way. Are you going to tell them that they're wrong?
I don't believe it because I've never met anyone who actually legitimately prefers that. I feel like you're just against the argument for the sake of going against it. Usually with devils advocate you throw the other side of the perspective at someone, however I've not met anyone or heard anyone support this perspective you're presenting.
Hi.

Not that that even matters. The point is that it's conceivable that such an individual could exist, and that can't be ignored. If you've never met anyone in your life who doesn't enjoy pizza, you can't just assume that everyone likes pizza.
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Again, believe it or not, someone might actually like unstable frame rates. They might think it enhances the experience in some way. Are you going to tell them that they're wrong?
I don't believe it because I've never met anyone who actually legitimately prefers that. I feel like you're just against the argument for the sake of going against it. Usually with devils advocate you throw the other side of the perspective at someone, however I've not met anyone or heard anyone support this perspective you're presenting.
Hi.

Not that that even matters. The point is that it's conceivable that such an individual could exist, and that can't be ignored. If you've never met anyone in your life who doesn't enjoy pizza, you can't just assume that everyone likes pizza.
You've clearly said time and time again that you like stable frames when opposed to 60 fps because you can't tell the difference. So you're telling me you suddenly like 1 frame a second (which isn't even a moving picture) to support your argument?

Pizza compared to a form of media that requires stability is different.


 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

unfortunately, the simple english wikipedia doesn't have an article on this, so this one will have to do

sorry :(


 
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You've clearly said time and time again that you like stable frames when opposed to 60 fps because you can't tell the difference. So you're telling me you suddenly like 1 frame a second (which isn't even a moving picture) to support your argument?
No, I'm just saying it isn't black and white. Just because I tend to prefer stable frame rates doesn't mean that I can't enjoy unstable frame rates. It depends on the game.

I don't know if you've been following my Dark Souls thread lately, but I made it past Blighttown last week. As you know, the frame rate in that area gets pretty bad at times, and since I'm playing on console, there's no way for me to fix that. I just kinda had to deal with it, and it kinda amplified the general suckery of the area.

But it's still conceivable to me that someone might think the dropped frames could enhance the experience. I would disagree with them, and I'd probably consider them weird, but I'm not at liberty to tell them that their opinion is wrong or that my opinion is objectively better than theirs. And neither are you.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

unfortunately, the simple english wikipedia doesn't have an article on this, so this one will have to do

sorry :(