Jade - Positive Female Characters in Video Games

 
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This video contains feminism. If you are a small-minded bigot/misogynist, proceed with caution.

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The newest installment of Anita Sarkeesian's new series, which I love.

Deal with it.
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Honest question. Do you post these to intentional start a shitstorm, because you know that's all this will result in, right?

Nobody here other than you has any positive feelings tward Anita Sarkeesian (and with good reason) You wont start any well meaning discussion posing here. All you're going to get is a bunch of comments reiterating on why she is a massive cunt.


 
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Honest question. Do you post these to intentional start a shitstorm, because you know that's all this will result in, right?
I don't think the last one ended in a shitstorm. Maybe it did. I don't remember. But I think most people just let it die.

If you actually watch the damn video, though, I really don't see how anything she's saying could be considered objectionable in any way. Then again, I do identify as a feminist, so I guess I'm biased.


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Honest question. Do you post these to intentional start a shitstorm, because you know that's all this will result in, right?
I don't think the last one ended in a shitstorm. Maybe it did. I don't remember. But I think most people just let it die.

If you actually watch the damn video, though, I really don't see how anything she's saying could be considered objectionable in any way. Then again, I do identify as a feminist, so I guess I'm biased.

Sory but I'm not giving her Ad revenue.


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OffTopic I just want to appologise for acting like a cunt to you in the past. I disagree with just about all of your veiwpoints. I dont think I will ever agree with them, but that does not justify my acting like a prick. I do think you're a pretty cool guy when you're discusssing Nintendo related stuff or on the very rare occasion when you crack a joke.


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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
Apparently sidekicks in most games serve as nothing more than tools to encourage you and advance plot.

Okay then.


 
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Sory but I'm not giving her Ad revenue.
She doesn't put ads on her videos, though.

Also.
OffTopic I just want to appologise for acting like a cunt to you in the past. I disagree with just about all of your veiwpoints. I dont think I will ever agree with them, but that does not justify my acting like a prick. I do think you're a pretty cool guy when you're discusssing Nintendo related stuff or on the very rare occasion when you crack a joke.
Well, thank you. That actually means a lot.
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Apparently sidekicks in most games serve as nothing more than tools to encourage you and advance plot.

Okay then.
Yeah, I would say so. I would say that's the primary function of a "sidekick" in general. The word doesn't even really have a good connotation.


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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
Id love to hear what she thinks about Lightning.

Probably dismisses every good point about her because shes showing some legs lol


 
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Id love to hear what she thinks about Lightning.

Probably dismisses every good point about her because shes showing some legs lol
Rarely does she ever dismiss the good points, though. In the video I posted, she described Jade's top as "silly", so as to be impractical (and a mild example of sexualization, because it displays her midriff), but proceeded to spend the rest of the video describing her good qualities. That's two seconds of criticism for another eleven minutes of praise.

Feminists do not have the one-track minds you seem to think they have.
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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
Id love to hear what she thinks about Lightning.

Probably dismisses every good point about her because shes showing some legs lol
(and a mild example of sexualization, because it displays her midriff)
So even the slightest bit of skin is sexualization now?


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Id love to hear what she thinks about Lightning.

Probably dismisses every good point about her because shes showing some legs lol
Rarely does she ever dismiss the good points, though. In the video I posted, she described Jade's top as "silly", so as to be impractical (and a mild example of sexualization, because it displays her midriff), but proceeded to spend the rest of the video describing her good qualities. That's two seconds of criticism for another eleven minutes of praise.

Feminists do not have the one-track minds you seem to think they have.

Exept when the blatantly lies and stretches the truth or using double standards to reinterprets things  in the most rediculous and  unintended ways to make her points (see: Hitman, Mass Effect ect)
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So even the slightest bit of skin is sexualization now?
I specifically used the word "mild". Come on now.

The amount of skin shown is not the point. There are specific parts of the female body that males find enticing, and the midriff happens to be one of them. So yes, a character bearing his or her midriff is an example of sexualization. Mostly her.


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The angel agreed to trade a set of white wings for the head of another demon. Overjoyed, the demon killed one of his own and plucked the head right off its still-warm body.

The angel then led the demon to heaven, where he underwent centuries of the cruelest tortures imaginable. Finally, the pain was so great that he lost consciousness - at which point his dark wings turned the promised shade of white.
So even the slightest bit of skin is sexualization now?
I specifically used the word "mild". Come on now.

The amount of skin shown is not the point. There are specific parts of the female body that males find enticing, and the midriff happens to be one of them. So yes, a character bearing his or her midriff is an example of sexualization. Mostly her.
Id argue that amount is very subjective. Thats just silly.


 
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Exept when the blatantly lies and stretches the truth or using double standards to reinterprets things  in the most rediculous and  unintended ways to make her points (see: Hitman, Mass Effect ect)
Her Hitman video was stupid, yes, but again, on the subject of positive female characters, she hasn't really said anything that could be considered duplicitous.

If you really can't bring yourself to watch the video, here's a transcript of it:
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So even the slightest bit of skin is sexualization now?
I specifically used the word "mild". Come on now.

The amount of skin shown is not the point. There are specific parts of the female body that males find enticing, and the midriff happens to be one of them. So yes, a character bearing his or her midriff is an example of sexualization. Mostly her.

Yet when the same concept is applied in reverse (ie Thor) it's twisted into "Male Power Fantasy and not eye candy for women. Which is hilarious because when a character like Bayoneytta is intentionally designed as a power fantasy Anita still tries to wave it off.

Why do feminists feel so comfortable with this double standard?


 
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Id argue that amount is very subjective. Thats just silly.
Personally, I wouldn't have even brought it up if I was her, but again, she still has eleven minutes worth of praise to give her. My favorite part of the video was around the seven minute mark, where she talks about how, in situations where Jade is in distress, she does not need her male partner to rescue her. She's perfectly capable of saving herself. That's... great.


 
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Yet when the same concept is applied in reverse (ie Thor) it's twisted into "Male Power Fantasy and not eye candy for women. Which is hilarious because when a character like Bayoneytta is intentionally designed as a power fantasy Anita still tries to wave it off.

Why do feminists feel so comfortable with this double standard?
But feminists like Anita argue that power fantasies are a bad thing, and I agree. Eye candy is bad, and so are power fantasies. It doesn't matter which gender they're geared towards--I think they're all equally bad. Anita would probably disagree with me there.

She probably thinks the male power fantasies are more pernicious, because males already dominate the gamersphere, but I take a step further and say that all power fantasies are bad. All examples of eye candy are bad. Male or female.
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Like, I'm sorry, but as much as I fucking hate Bayonetta, I don't see how calling her a "power fantasy" for females is supposed to make her design any less offensive. If anything, it exacerbates it. Characters don't need to be sexualized to be interesting, and we all understand this.


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
That's not the Jade I was expecting to see


 
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That's not the Jade I was expecting to see
Who were you expecting to see?


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That's not the Jade I was expecting to see
Who were you expecting to see?
Mortal Kombat's.

Though that wouldn't make senae.


 
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Yeah, no, not at all.


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That's not the Jade I was expecting to see
nah, she cried soggy knees about Dying Light not too long ago. we wont see her say positive things about that Jade.


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
That's not the Jade I was expecting to see
nah, she cried soggy knees about Dying Light not too long ago. we wont see her say positive things about that Jade.
Does she ever have anything positive to say?


 
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Does she ever have anything positive to say?
Uh, yes. That's what this thread is about.


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That's not the Jade I was expecting to see
nah, she cried soggy knees about Dying Light not too long ago. we wont see her say positive things about that Jade.
Wait.

There's someone called Jade in dying light?

All I heard was RRAAAAAIIIISS.


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That's not the Jade I was expecting to see
nah, she cried soggy knees about Dying Light not too long ago. we wont see her say positive things about that Jade.
Does she ever have anything positive to say?
only if her master, McIntosh, allows it. you need to attend more Patriarchy conventions, Jono.


 
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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
That's not the Jade I was expecting to see
nah, she cried soggy knees about Dying Light not too long ago. we wont see her say positive things about that Jade.
Does she ever have anything positive to say?
only if her master, McIntosh, allows it. you need to attend more Patriarchy conventions, Jono.
I'm all about that


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most of her analysis makes sense, although I fail to see how this is significant to feminism in any way...

like why does it matter? no one wants trope ridden one dimensional characters, that transcends gender all together.. The
majority of gamers honestly don't care what gender they play as, they just want to be entertained.