Who said anything about breaking?

that's what happens when you misuse toys

It's not misusing if the devs want you to mod

i wouldn't enter a house if the owners were okay with random strangers pissing all over the walls

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 05, 2015, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: challengerX on October 05, 2015, 01:06:37 PM

Who said anything about breaking?

that's what happens when you misuse toys

I'm not misusing the toy though, I'm just using it differently.

i considered that misuse

Quote from: Enduuuuuuur on October 05, 2015, 01:08:37 PM

It's not misusing if the devs want you to mod

i wouldn't enter a house if the owners were okay with random strangers pissing all over the walls

this metaphor would only work if modding affected every copy of the game

we're not gonna do this if you're just gonna keep saying "nuh-uh" like a dumb kid

Yes. Because you crying "it's ruining it" is much better.

maybe it's a good thing not to have every conceivable thing in your game
you think of that?

Damn I hate hyperboles.

Only a few posts ago you were saying devs should add everything that makes sense within the games context into the game.

They can't. It's not possible.

yeah they do

games should remain the way they are

Says who?
There's nothing that states as such.

if the developers want to add more shit, they have patches and DLC at their disposal

even though DLC is another scam that i hate

Which costs time, money and effort.
You can't have one thing and say the things required to get those things are irrelevant.

Your argument has more holes than Halo 3.

And on a side note, Verb I do think you could relax on your hating for mods. I know you dislike them but you somehow turn every mod thread into an argument on why you don't >.>

It can get a little tiring.

Whatever

Quote from: Enduuuuuuur on October 05, 2015, 01:08:37 PM

It's not misusing if the devs want you to mod

i wouldn't enter a house if the owners were okay with random strangers pissing all over the walls

Just going to say, that's a very terrible analogy.

Pissing on the walls in your house=/=adding fun enhancements, quests, or just being silly with mod tools in a video game.

I see Verb has the illusion that the developer's resources are infinite.
Devs have to choose what ideas to explore and what not to, modding allows players to explore areas that the devs decided weren't as important as other areas.

"Ruining art". Pfft. That carelessly assumes that the Devs made an objectively better artistic piece than a modder can make and that the modder didn't experience the original work as it was intended before decided to alter it. The vanilla game is not even damaged when you alter a copy. The vanilla game is still readily available for play for you to re-experience it. This is literally being too close-minded to try experiencing a work in different ways, which ironically is the opposite of artistic appreciation.

Oooo so the existence of modding decentivises devs from exploring some ideas, so what, that means that devs can spend that effort exploring other ideas. If devs just sit on their ass with that gained time, the fault lies with their laziness, not the artistic, non-profit individuals who enjoy modding. Hell the amount you demean modders work shows how little you actually care about art and more how much you care about games being a sterile, monetarily driven service like any other capitalist shill.

Literally the most played game in existence right now spawned from a mod and has generated countless user experiences, but I guess that doesn't matter to you because of your personal misgivings towards the game.

It's just so hilariously ironic that you, someone who hates capitalism and thinks people should do good on principle, think that people inspired by passion to express their ideas that build on a game are ruining the gaming industry, the system built to make art a sold commodity.

It's just so hilariously ironic that you, someone who hates capitalism and thinks people should do good on principle, think that people inspired by passion to express their ideas that build on a game are ruining the gaming industry, the system built to make art a sold commodity.

if you don't like the system

change the system

don't break the system

besides--nothing is stopping you from making your own game

you've yet to explain how it doesn't ruin it yet, though

Ruining something implies the original was objectively better, and that the original is gone.

Neither of these are true.

i literally never said this

Your argument has been that modding is just a way of devs doing less work, and that they should've added the things that make sense themselves.

me
that's my argument

Alright. That means nothing.
If games are "supposed" to stay the same, then there'd be something stating as such other than what some edgy guy on the internet thinks.
But there isn't, so you have no argument here.

besides--nothing is stopping you from making your own game

Besides the money, the tools, a team, capability etc etc

Creating mods for a pre-existing game and creating a game are two very different things.

Plus creating their own game would possibly be limiting to what they could otherwise achieve through mods, because their game wouldn't be close to the technical level of said pre-existing game.


The "just make your own" argument has never been valid.

Quote from: Citrus Snake on October 05, 2015, 02:19:32 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 05, 2015, 01:52:42 PM

besides--nothing is stopping you from making your own game

Besides the money, the tools, a team, capability etc etc

Creating mods for a pre-existing game and creating a game are two very different things.

Plus creating their own game would possibly be limiting to what they could otherwise achieve through mods, because their game wouldn't be close to the technical level of said pre-existing game.


The "just make your own" argument has never been valid.

Cheat can literally rub this forum into people's faces if he ever complains about shitty websites and gets told the "Well if you're such an expert why don't you make one?" line.

Out of context here, I know.

Making a website and making a game aren't really comparable

Quote from: Citrus Snake on October 05, 2015, 03:25:46 PM

Quote from: Deadtrap on October 05, 2015, 03:23:45 PM

Quote from: Citrus Snake on October 05, 2015, 02:19:32 PM

Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 05, 2015, 01:52:42 PM

besides--nothing is stopping you from making your own game

Besides the money, the tools, a team, capability etc etc

Creating mods for a pre-existing game and creating a game are two very different things.

Plus creating their own game would possibly be limiting to what they could otherwise achieve through mods, because their game wouldn't be close to the technical level of said pre-existing game.


The "just make your own" argument has never been valid.

Cheat can literally rub this forum into people's faces if he ever complains about shitty websites and gets told the "Well if you're such an expert why don't you make one?" line.

Out of context here, I know.

Making a website and making a game aren't really comparable

Gee there sure is a lot of coding around here.

There's much more to creating games than code