The pinnacle of human athleticism.

i dunno i was pretty winded the last time i played wii sports lol

So was my grandma, sure you're not eighty?

We really need a soccer/football thread. It's fun to find someone as passionate about the sport as I am.

It's summer, there's like not much going on. I rarely watch MLS. After watching the top European leagues for so long, it's really difficult for me to get into any lower-tier divisions.

Esports are not sports. If it doesn't require any proper physical movements then  it's not a sport. Football will always be the best

More competitive, I assure you. You always know who's gonna win La Liga, and the Bundesliga as well.

If you watch MLS and Football League Championship, you're guaranteed to have a competitive season each time.

Just make a football thread already dammit.

1. As someone who has played both a college sport and traveled to MLG events, No its not a sport. But its pretty damn close. I prefer "competitive Gaming" to Esport but its all good.

2. Anyone who thinks baseball is boring knows nothing about the intricacies of the game. There is ALWAYS a chess match with every pitch. Its crazy strategy.

They use some physical exertion in their hands. They type incredibly fast, which requires a bunch of training, and even risk injuries while playing.

Any fat fuck can sit on their ass and push buttons on a controller slightly faster than somebody else. There's nothing physical exerting about sitting down and using a controller to play a video game. With your logic using a TV remote slightly faster than someone else can be considered physical exerting.

Physical exertion is "the activity of exerting your muscles in various ways to keep fit", So you can argue that they need to build up muscles in their hands to play like they do.

They're sitting down and using a controller which requires no muscle mass at all to do or any type of cardio training. Pushing buttons on a controller slightly faster than someone else isn't going to get you fit. If you want to build up muscles in your fingers you would need to use one of those exercisers or do something like finger push ups.   

Well, it's defined as an activity involving physical exertion and/or skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. eSports technically fits in the category. You just wouldn't define the elite competitors as Athletes, per se.

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Any fat fuck can sit on their ass and push buttons on a controller slightly faster than somebody else.

Really? I'd love to see you do something to this level.

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Also I don't know why people refer to professional gamers as being fat, I don't think I've seen one that was over weight.

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If you want to build up muscles in your fingers you would need to use one of those exercisers or do something like finger push ups.

Not at all. Coming from a musician, I can tell you that you can definitely build muscles in your hands by performing complex tasks with them. On top of that, you need to build up different muscles in your hands for different tasks. Using one of these is not going to make it so you can do anything physically exerting with your hands except for squeezing things.

that's really not that impressive man...
Do you really think that qualifies as physical exertion? And he's mostly pushing the same 3 buttons over and over again.  And before you rage and say "oh but you can't do it!" You're right I can't, I also don't practice all day every day and get paid to do it. But that doesn't make it a sport. Is playing piano a sport? Is speed sketching a sport? Those are 2 skills on par with this l

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And he's mostly pushing the same 3 buttons over and over again. 

There's a lot more to it than that.

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Is playing piano a sport? Is speed sketching a sport? Those are 2 skills on par with this l

No, because those aren't competitive in the way that gaming can be.

Like I've said before, if chess or poker is a sport, I don't see why gaming couldn't be considered one too.

chess and poker shouldn't be considered a sport

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Is playing piano a sport? Is speed sketching a sport? Those are 2 skills on par with this l

No, because those aren't competitive in the way that gaming can be.

For piano you can have competitions about who can play a song the fastest and an endurance contest. For speed sketching you can have a competition about who can sketch something the fastest while trying to make it as close to what the image is. As a joke I came up with MLR(Major League Remote) some years ago. It's a competition where people do speed channel changing with the bar, who is the fastest at using the number buttons and an en endurance thing where a group of people just change the channel with the bar. Just because something doesn't seem like it doesn't mean it can't be made into a competitive contest or done competitively. Using your logic about MLG players having speed something like speed sketching would be a sport because it involves speed, skill and it works out your hand muscles. 

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Quote from: BerzerkCommando on July 19, 2015, 05:34:13 AM

Any fat fuck can sit on their ass and push buttons on a controller slightly faster than somebody else.

Really? I'd love to see you do something to this level.

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Also I don't know

It would take a while to get the memory down on pushing the keys that fast but he's not pushing them down at some super human rate. When I was watching that I was pushing buttons down at the same speed in a similar group. Doing that is nothing more than memory and hand coordination along with it. He does have skill due to that but it's nothing that would make it a sport.

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Also I don't know why people refer to professional gamers as being fat, I don't think I've seen one that was over weight.

I'm just making a point that any unfit person is able to do what they're doing. With something like tennis or running you have to work yourself up physically in order to be able to do any type of competitive events with it. The video you linked you just have to work yourself up memory wise. Anybody that doesn't have any type of hand or finger problem can easily push that buttons that fast.

Fatness=/=Fitness

Fitness is your ability to meet the requirements of your environment/scenario. So a 6'5" mountain of fat may be fit as a sumo wrestler but as a regular human being or as a hockey player for example, would be grossly unfit.

Similarly, someone with arthritis in their left hand would be unfit as an esports player, but perhaps fitter when it comes to a 100m sprint. By definition any person that is unfit is unable to do whatever they are doing (or unable to do it to a suitable standard), fitness is a combination of your mental, physical and social wellbeing (your health) and how able you are to actually utilise and apply that health in your given environment.

So in fact, esports players are fit in the same way that a sumo wrestler, an NFL player or an olympic gymnast is-specific to their task.