Some of you may recall me saying how I don't notice the difference between 30-60fps and that I didn't care. Well I decided to go back on 360 today after playing my X1, and holy shit 30fps is really fucking noticeable.

I'm sorry. I will commit honourable sudoku now.

30 is way overdue. 60 should be a standard today.

i don't really notice it...

You friend me on the 360.

And you get a fucking xbone for christmas. Typical I say!

I still don't.

60fps

X1.

Pick one.

I had a similar experience. I've played and beaten Shadow of Hodor on my PC, and when I had a group of friends over one of them brought a copy for the 360.

>Looks like clay
>Load screens that rival Destiny

OOOH FUCK WHY!?!

Quote from: Bacon's Shelf on January 08, 2015, 11:30:56 AM

60fps

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X1.

Pick one.

Mac master race.

I still don't notice it if I'm watching comparisons. I have to be the one playing to feel the difference in smoothness myself.

Can't tell the difference. Don't see why it matters.

To act like it's "superior"... well, yeah, okay, it is superior.

But that's like saying having two pennies is better than having one penny. Which, yeah, you're right, but it's absolutely nothing to write home about or make a big deal out of.

I think the fact that it's even a talking point--something that people are legitimately concerned about--is retarded.

Definitely, a game being 60fps, or 30fps, or 120fps is not a major concern. It's the implications of how developers handle it that matters. A game with a steady 30fps vs a game with 30fps and drops to 20fps, for example, is an indicator of a game's technical stability and polish. A developer that lies about 30fps being better because it's more "cinematic" (a platitude I could write an essay on, but won't for sake of brevity) is a liar and someone who I won't support. Not because the game is 30fps; if they want sub-1080p with comparatively hi-res textures in place of a higher framerate, that's their choice. I wouldn't support them because that developer just showed clear as day that they will lie to the consumer without hesitation. Not even a "white-lie" or a "clever word choice", no, a lie.

You're an idiot if you won't buy a game because it's 30fps, you're also an idiot if you buy a game because 30fps is advertised as a fucking feature.

Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 08:52:15 PM

You're an idiot if you won't buy a game because it's 30fps, you're also an idiot if you buy a game because 30fps is advertised as a fucking feature.

Right. I don't even understand the "30fps is cinematic" argument. Sounds dumb to me.
But to be so adamant about it?... I don't know.

The argument is that since movies play at 24fps, then 24fps is more lifelike than 60fps. Since refresh rate is very important, and TVs don't refresh at such an odd rate, they use the next best: 30fps. This, of course, disregards how visual perception works in reality as apposed to video footage, the fact that movies only tend to be shot in the range of 24-26fps, a misconception on why 60fps worked so poorly for The Hobbit, the difference between fps and Hz, input lag, among other values. The only people who are adamant about 30fps are developers who use it as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card, the rabid fanbase of said developers, and the people who buy into it without evidence solely on account of it being repeated so often.

Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 09:09:26 PM

The only people who are adamant about 30fps are developers who use it as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card, the rabid fanbase of said developers, and the people who buy into it without evidence solely on account of it being repeated so often.

I meant you, actually--the people who are adamant about 60fps. Because from the perspective of someone who doesn't care, at all, about fps, it all seems kinda silly and not losing sleep over. Developers lie all the time--why not focus on lying as a whole, rather than argue with idiots about minutiae?

I might sound hypocritical, too, because I still recognize 60fps is important in games like Street Fighter, but I still don't notice it optically. And if they ever changed it, fuck if I'd notice.

Like I said, I don't care if a game is 30fps. I play a lot of games that are 30fps. 60fps is indisputably better, but not necessary for a game to be good. It's icing on the cake, really.

The problem isn't the framerate itself, it's the connotations of how a developer advertises it. There's nothing wrong with saying "It was either high-rez, high-poly models and environments or 60fps. We chose the former.", or "we chose 30fps because the game's performance was unstable beyond that." If a developer says that, I'd commend them on being honest about it. "We decided to use 30fps because it makes for a more cinematic experience" though? No, fuck you, I'm not buying your game. You don't lie about one thing then tell the truth everywhere else because of some sense of conscious; if a developer lies about the framerate, they're bound to lie about other things as well. Things that are much more essential to a good game than framerate.

tl;dr I wouldn't refuse to buy a game because it's 30fps, I'd refuse to buy it on account of lies and (what usually is accompanied by) false promises. I refuse to support a developer like that on principle.

conversely, if a developer tries using 60fps as a selling point, i'm buying negative sixty copies

i dont even know what that means

basically i wouldn't get the game, because that's not a selling point, motherfucker