You fucker you beat me to it!

This just goes to show that Jagex hasn't had a good idea in over ten years. I was actually thinking about getting back into the game because I played it religiously for a year in middle school. But I think I'll pass if they're going to go and get political in a fantasy video game.

Ya know, I really can't fathom Jagex's thought process on this. I'm pretty sure the community wouldn't have minded having a sort of event like this if they were simply asked and properly polled first. This isn't WoW or FFXIV where the community is some massive hugbox that can afford to ban hundreds of uppity members. No one plays their shitty updated Runescape and the OS RS is literally on life support like FFXI Online, pissing off and banning the remaining people who are supporting you through this game they've been playing for over a decade isn't the brightest idea.

He doesn't play the fucking game and the Mod posted that update six hours ago, long after the video went out. He made the video off the information he was given at the time, and the point still stands. Despite the constant denials about there not being a push in propaganda, this is. "We're not going to poll this update like we do everything else because we know we're right" "WTF why are you opposed to this?"

At least Nu-Bungie is blunt about giving the finger to their older fans.

So he made a video on a topic he really doesn't know much about and based it on incomplete and one-sided information likely given to him by people part of one camp of the "conflict" as the situation was still emerging. That doesn't really make this any better and only lowers my opinion of him further, especially considering people apparently give this guy 3k a month to put out this kind of stuff as a full time job. Now I'm just curious to see if he actually owns up this and put in a disclaimer, update or annotations to clarify and portray Jagex in an honest light. That'd at least be somewhat admirable.

He gets paid to make videos like Deviant's and TGWTG, videos that are 10-20 minutes long and is basically just making fun of stupid people. A video like this probably isn't even worth mentioning when it comes to the content he gets paid to put out.

They apparently stopped polling events 2 years ago because the community itself complained it was pointless to poll every one of them and that it ruined the surprise factor.

I'm not even talking about the actual event or defending it. Seems like poor judgment on the developer's part. Just again pointing out some of the gripes I have with these kinds of videos and Youtubers. I feel like they're rarely honest nor paint a very truthful and complete picture.

That very same link shows polls for both last year and this year. But supposedly the last non-polled content they released for the game was poorly received according to the reddit posts, and they said content like that and this should be polled more.

It's hard to paint Jagex in a positive light because they're still in the wrong, even if there were people on the other side more wrong. Their faults aren't fire, they don't get snuffed out because there was a bigger explosion nearby. Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, everywhere supposedly Jagex is getting flak for not polling this and Jagex is going "You're just a vocal minority" and when asked to make a poll to see if such a claim is true, they ignore it.

The Mod's posts are there for all of us to see. He refuses to make a poll after the fact, probably because he knows it would be a "No" vote without any reasonable doubt. In which case, ignoring the obvious answer and going through with this anyways is a very real case of pushing an agenda. That Mod is either lying about the support for this content being there, or lying about not pushing an agenda. Either way, he's lost.

You're an idiot if you think they aren't entitled to their own product, and a bigger one if you're actually bothered by the event's existence.

They totally are entitled to putting whatever they want in their game. Just like the incredibly small player-base that supports the game has the right to just drop the game.

But the biggest mong in the bunch is the one that plays the victim card after spending the afternoon spewing hate-speech dressed up as a KKK member, as if that wasn't subject to action in the terms & conditions from 10 years ago.

No one is supporting the tiny fraction of people that did this.

Lastly, woah.  6k unconfirmed players voted in this offsite poll, so it clearly represents everyone.  Better roll back that content that doesn't affect them in the first place.

It's almost as if Devs are refusing to release a poll because it shows the majority of the player-base wouldn't want it and it would show that they are pushing it.

Ya know, I love FFXIV and they put in a marriage system in the game that let you marry any player regardless of race/sex. So how come Square-Enix didn't get the right-wing deaths squads marching through the streets of Gridania? Maybe it's because SE wasn't advertising it as an event for gay-marriage and instead was advertising the fact that they had a marriage system in general. It's almost as if they were able to add something that showed acceptance without have to politicize it.

And BTW, they only added it after fans kept demanding it on Reddit and at FanFests, and with the Live Letters.

All modmatk had to do was /pol-I mean POLL the playerbase on the the official OSRS site and Falador might not have turned into 1940 Berlin.

Quote from: Vien on June 07, 2017, 07:02:52 PM

It's funny because he was there too.

it shows the majority of the player-base wouldn't want it.

Bold assumption.
Where are you getting the numbers?  The nonexistent poll results (that Reddit one is a joke), the wave of bans on actually innocent people, etc...

They totally are entitled to putting whatever they want in their game. Just like the incredibly small player-base that supports the game has the right to just drop the game.

All modmatk had to do was /pol-I mean POLL the playerbase on the the official OSRS site and Falador might not have turned into 1940 Berlin.

You say this like it gives you/those players leverage.  It doesn't.  I promise you, it was brought up how the event might polarize certain players (esp. the type to unsub over gay tolerance, let alone to actively protest and make homophobic jabs out of facetiousness), and they concluded that they don't give a shit about those people.

You can make a statement with your wallet, but you don't get to act like you can intimidate a company into making these kinds of choices for them.  And you can play the victim card over the lack of an official poll, but the turnout from this event shows why a lot of people weren't entitled to (or mature enough to handle) a poll more than it shows why there should've been one in the first place.

If you're really the kind of person to play the victim card to the extent of shifting the blame of a 1940s Berlin out of the game onto Jagex, then you're pretty deluded and completely incapable of taking responsibility for yourself.  That attitude isn't welcome on just about any online game environment that I can think of.  So quit if this is that important to you.

I think the real mental gymnastics revolve around thinking this kind of behavior is not only acceptable, but justified for what Jagex pulled.  I get that it feels like they're lying to their community, which is shitty, but this is blown a million times out of proportion.

And virtue signaling?  Deal with it.  It's completely different from the tokenism a lot of games are going for.  It's an online game running on a living ecosystem, and Jagex wanted a subset of it to feel accepted and comfortable, while the rest can choose to ignore it and be completely unaffected by it.  What monsters.

What's so amazing about this is that it's apparently such an outrage to hold this on what would have been just another ordinary day.  It's not like this is replacing Christmas.  This is not the same as any other poll, because those were "should this Christmas give you the 2006 reward, but it won't be tradeable this time around?"  It's even harder to feel any sympathy for "muh lack of transparency" when the event affects literally nothing and no one.

If it's not actually about gay tolerance to these people, then it's pretty sickening to see where their priories are. There's nothing bad coming to the people that don't like the event, but only good to the ones that do, but that's apparently not good enough.  Jagex doesn't need your permission for that kind of integration.  It's insulting, egocentric, and immature to think that (and put ridiculous amounts of effort into complaining about) the feeling of the dev going behind your back is more important than the dev supporting someone in a way that doesn't affect you.

Like I said, this kind of controversy shows exactly why the community can fuck themselves if they think they're entitled to involvement in the dev process of the game.  It takes a special kind of child to think that Jagex is more at fault for the community's disgusting behavior than they are, all over something that makes no difference to them either way. They don't owe you shit: they don't owe you a seat in their board meetings, they don't owe you a poll, and they don't owe you answers for your childish fits.

Jagex made 2007-scape as a gift to the community, not the other way around.

>second time

Ha