I bought The Witcher 3

Verbatim · October 20, 2017, 10:52:32 AM

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i'm really passionate about texturing the individual threads on this DLC shirt that no one's gonna look at

that really adds a lot of excitement and flavor to my life, i love making video games
This is a Witcher 3 thread

i'm really passionate about texturing the individual grains of dirt and rubble in this area that no one's gonna look at

that really adds a lot of excitement and flavor to my life, i love making video games

Verbatim · October 20, 2017, 11:02:45 AM

i mean gosh who WOULDN'T love doing that for a living am i right fellow gamers

challengerX · October 20, 2017, 11:05:47 AM

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Elai · October 20, 2017, 11:07:09 AM

relevant

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Elai · October 20, 2017, 11:11:45 AM

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Most games have a lot of heart put into them, I think. I don't know maybe I'm misunderstanding you but from what I'm gathering is that you're saying most of these people are just going through the motions.

Essentially, yeah that's what I'm saying. Unless the entire team is energized and on-board with the game (small teams tend to do this a lot better) where there's a communal sense of direction and scope for the project you get people sort of aimlessly doing grunt work who then show it to their boss who shows it to their boss who shows it to the executives that approve shit after endless market research and other bullshit.

In the case of things like CoD so many of the textures and assets are just reused from however many years ago so there's even less soul than you might think.

Elai · October 20, 2017, 11:13:30 AM

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Don't be an animator if that isn't what you want to do. What do you expect? You have to make very detailed games these days. If you're not passionate about making games go do something else.

So what are you trying to say

challengerX · October 20, 2017, 11:33:19 AM

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Elai · October 20, 2017, 11:39:53 AM

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Don't be an animator if that isn't what you want to do. What do you expect? You have to make very detailed games these days. If you're not passionate about making games go do something else.

So what are you trying to say
What do you mean

I'm just trying to understand what you're getting at with your response.

challengerX · October 20, 2017, 11:46:28 AM

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Elai · October 20, 2017, 11:53:43 AM

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Don't be an animator if that isn't what you want to do. What do you expect? You have to make very detailed games these days. If you're not passionate about making games go do something else.

So what are you trying to say
What do you mean

I'm just trying to understand what you're getting at with your response.
What didn't you understand? I'm saying if you're not passionate about creating a game, do something else.

But how are individual strands of hair and pores related to games whatsoever? That's the point.

If we, the consumers don't care, and the animators don't care, why do it

challengerX · October 20, 2017, 11:56:20 AM

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Elai · October 20, 2017, 11:58:15 AM

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I care if the game looks good. Almost everybody does.

Which is fine (even if I disagree). But do you honestly think that individual strands of hair on a mustache and skin pores make the game look THAT much better? Especially when the consoles they're designed for can't demonstrate that work in a high enough resolution? Do you not think the effort could have been better used elsewhere on something that actually matters?

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Verbatim · October 20, 2017, 12:04:06 PM

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i'm really passionate about texturing the individual threads on this DLC shirt that no one's gonna look at

that really adds a lot of excitement and flavor to my life, i love making video games
This is a Witcher 3 thread
i'm really passionate about texturing the individual grains of dirt and rubble in this area that no one's gonna look at

that really adds a lot of excitement and flavor to my life, i love making video games
People are definitely passionate about making their game look good. They take great pride in creating something that has people saying "wow this looks great".

Another "I don't like it so nobody else does" post from you. Literal toddler logic.

i guess toddlers are smarter than i give them credit for then

Verbatim · October 20, 2017, 12:06:51 PM

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Don't be an animator if that isn't what you want to do. What do you expect? You have to make very detailed games these days. If you're not passionate about making games go do something else.

"if you don't enjoy every single aspect of your job, you should get a different job"

this is mature smart adult logic apparently

Verbatim · October 20, 2017, 12:08:28 PM

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But it's not like the effort of the animators detracts from the effort the other departments.

but it literally does

less money spent on shit that doesn't matter means more money spent on shit that does matter

what a novel concept

Luciana · October 20, 2017, 02:01:16 PM

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Respectable to a degree but ultimately clunky and overrated.
What is respectable to a degree lmao it's a game

You don't respect the people who make good games? It's clear the CD Projekt Red put a lot of soul into the game but I don't think it resulted in a stellar product. That's why its "respectable to a degree."
Nah it just didn't make sense the way you said "respectable". Most games are respectable.

It makes perfect sense, and most games are just products instead of something that people care about making, which aren't respectable.
I don't really agree with that. There's a lot of passion put into games.

Not enough to be respectable

I mean do you think the guys who shit out another call of duty or battlefield or far cry every year really care all that much

its all just soulless which is why i feel the need to specifically point out developers who clearly do care

I think Dice put a lot of care into Battlefield 1, considering their mess ups with 4. It's the game that made them what they are, so I think a lot of care and research went into BF1. Documentaries show as much. I think for the new CoD, a decent amount of care went into the Single Player bit of it. Idk about MP.

Luciana · October 20, 2017, 02:05:57 PM

Passion into a game doesn't exactly make it good if the general direction is shit.

You have Destiny 2 who's art team clearly has some of the best talent in the industry, and it's hampered by literally every other department around them. I think the creative leads, and unfortunately publishes, can either just make or break a games potential, regardless of the passion the devs in the team feel. People were passionate on Final Fantasy 14 1.0 and the game was still a pile of garbage.

Elai · October 20, 2017, 02:43:08 PM

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Passion into a game doesn't exactly make it good if the general direction is shit.

No one ever said anything differently. Passion in a game that isn't very good is still preferable to a soulless cash grab. A game that has people who give a shit making it will always turn out better than something that exists to purely make money.

Elai · October 20, 2017, 02:43:32 PM

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I think Dice put a lot of care into Battlefield 1, considering their mess ups with 4. It's the game that made them what they are, so I think a lot of care and research went into BF1. Documentaries show as much. I think for the new CoD, a decent amount of care went into the Single Player bit of it. Idk about MP.

You're fooling yourself if you think Dice gives a fuck about anything outside of profit margins.

Elai · October 20, 2017, 02:54:05 PM

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I never said individual hairs were a necessity.

Well I never said that you did either, lol.

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But it's not like the effort of the animators detracts from the effort the other departments.

What you're saying is akin to, "Well, it doesn't really matter what the art team / animation team is doing because it doesn't affect the other departments at all." I think it's pretty disingenuous to make that statement. On smaller teams especially, people will often have to jump from department to department at the behest of whatever the leads think needs to get done. That's how Bruce Strayley became (arguably) the most prominent director at Naughty Dog. He started off as an animator but quickly figured out how to work in multiple department where they needed help.

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Also, consoles holding games back shouldn't be a reason we have subpar looking games.

The next Mario game won't look better because the pores are visible, dude. My argument here is that people can always be doing something that both a) speaks to their vocation, and b) is tangibly beneficial to the game as a product.

challengerX · October 20, 2017, 03:45:15 PM

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Elai · October 20, 2017, 04:01:59 PM

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You're equating small or even indie developers to Nintendo?

Well, the comparison is also true for some bigger companies. But Nintendo is actually a bunch of smaller development teams working on different intellectual properties that share assets, including workers, so... yeah, I'm equating them.

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Whether it looks better than the last Mario or not isn't up for debate.

Good, because I'm not debating that.

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It will look better. If you're an animator your job is to make the game look great. Period. If you're not interested in doing that, don't do it.

My point is that the game won't look better because of the hardware limitations, so the effort could be better used somewhere else.

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Regarding your other posts, I think you have a very pessimistic view about game developers, specifically those that develop shooters.

Maybe, but I think I'm just being realistic. The last couple of years have really shaken my faith in video game development, and every passing E3 is just another nail in the coffin.

Luciana · October 20, 2017, 06:48:16 PM

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I think Dice put a lot of care into Battlefield 1, considering their mess ups with 4. It's the game that made them what they are, so I think a lot of care and research went into BF1. Documentaries show as much. I think for the new CoD, a decent amount of care went into the Single Player bit of it. Idk about MP.

You're fooling yourself if you think Dice gives a fuck about anything outside of profit margins.

You're fooling yourself if you think any big business does anything less.

I easily think Dice puts effort into their Battlefield games since its their babby. Now STARWARS? That's another issue.

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Elai · October 20, 2017, 08:17:40 PM

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You're fooling yourself if you think any big business does anything less.

Aside from Nintendo? No, nobody thinks otherwise. What's your point.

And as an outsider looking in it's clear Dice hasn't done anything with Battlefield in years. A company that """cares""" wouldn't release BF4 in the state it did. A company that cares wouldn't release Hardline at all.