i am roleplaying as a black man in Fallout New Vegas

Comet · June 22, 2015, 07:32:37 PM

why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?

A Cheese Potato · June 22, 2015, 07:35:26 PM

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I made a big black guy character on my friends Elder Scrolls Online yesterday, I named him Shaquille of Neal
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i don't know if it was that funny guys

I try not to question it haha

Super Irish · June 22, 2015, 07:46:04 PM

Quote from: Comet on June 22, 2015, 07:32:37 PM

why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?

Because Fallout 3 was essentially the half-serious revival of the series, with most of the issues referring back to breaking canon and general line of story (set in the East Coast, friendly Brotherhood, Enclave's robot president-in-a-bunker, retarded Supermutants, etc) while FNV tried to correct or incorporate these errors to cover it but had it's own issues due to time constraints (lack of depth for Caesar's Legion - game shows them as black 'n' white bad but with added cut/imagined content would have made them as grey as the NCR)

Also Fallout 3 had a more struggle to survive atmosphere which everyone but diehard fans loved, while FNV took a more realistic but slightly less interesting restoration and revival atmosphere.

Tyger · June 22, 2015, 07:51:03 PM

Quote from: Comet on June 22, 2015, 07:32:37 PM

why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?

did you not see the massive off topic shit shitflinging contest going on ITT?

Comet · June 22, 2015, 07:51:39 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on June 22, 2015, 07:46:04 PM

Quote from: Comet on June 22, 2015, 07:32:37 PM
why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?
Because Fallout 3 was essentially the half-serious revival of the series, with most of the issues referring back to breaking canon and general line of story (set in the West Coast, friendly Brotherhood, Enclave's robot president-in-a-bunker, retarded Supermutants, etc) while FNV tried to correct or incorporate these errors to cover it but had it's own issues due to time constraints (lack of depth for Caesar's Legion - game shows them as black 'n' white bad but with added cut/imagined content would have made them as grey as the NCR)

Also Fallout 3 had a more struggle to survive atmosphere which everyone but diehard fans loved, while FNV took a more realistic but slightly less interesting restoration and revival atmosphere.

er... wasnt F3 set in DC?

Super Irish · June 22, 2015, 07:53:33 PM

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why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?
Because Fallout 3 was essentially the half-serious revival of the series, with most of the issues referring back to breaking canon and general line of story (set in the West Coast, friendly Brotherhood, Enclave's robot president-in-a-bunker, retarded Supermutants, etc) while FNV tried to correct or incorporate these errors to cover it but had it's own issues due to time constraints (lack of depth for Caesar's Legion - game shows them as black 'n' white bad but with added cut/imagined content would have made them as grey as the NCR)

Also Fallout 3 had a more struggle to survive atmosphere which everyone but diehard fans loved, while FNV took a more realistic but slightly less interesting restoration and revival atmosphere.
er... wasnt F3 set in DC?

Sorry, yeah. Meant to say East, which is contrary to F1 and 2's West coast setting.

Comet · June 22, 2015, 07:55:10 PM

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why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?
Because Fallout 3 was essentially the half-serious revival of the series, with most of the issues referring back to breaking canon and general line of story (set in the West Coast, friendly Brotherhood, Enclave's robot president-in-a-bunker, retarded Supermutants, etc) while FNV tried to correct or incorporate these errors to cover it but had it's own issues due to time constraints (lack of depth for Caesar's Legion - game shows them as black 'n' white bad but with added cut/imagined content would have made them as grey as the NCR)

Also Fallout 3 had a more struggle to survive atmosphere which everyone but diehard fans loved, while FNV took a more realistic but slightly less interesting restoration and revival atmosphere.
er... wasnt F3 set in DC?
Sorry, yeah. Meant to say East, which is contrary to F1 and 2's West coast setting.

oh. well, that means F4 is gonna be breaking all sorts of canoes?

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Super Irish · June 22, 2015, 08:03:41 PM

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why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?
Because Fallout 3 was essentially the half-serious revival of the series, with most of the issues referring back to breaking canon and general line of story (set in the West Coast, friendly Brotherhood, Enclave's robot president-in-a-bunker, retarded Supermutants, etc) while FNV tried to correct or incorporate these errors to cover it but had it's own issues due to time constraints (lack of depth for Caesar's Legion - game shows them as black 'n' white bad but with added cut/imagined content would have made them as grey as the NCR)

Also Fallout 3 had a more struggle to survive atmosphere which everyone but diehard fans loved, while FNV took a more realistic but slightly less interesting restoration and revival atmosphere.
er... wasnt F3 set in DC?
Sorry, yeah. Meant to say East, which is contrary to F1 and 2's West coast setting.
oh. well, that means F4 is gonna be breaking all sorts of canoes?

Well... sort of no?

Fallout 3 is considered canon (whether or not diehards like Door agree with that) , as shown by what Obsidian did in FNV to basically cover Bethesda-Zenimax's arse with the fuckups prior (e.g. Victoria mentioning the BoS in DC, Black Mountain Radio mentioning the retarded "Second Gen Supermutants" that exist in the East coast), and so while Fallout 4 may be canon it's still likely that diehards will find some flaws in it worthy to consider it non-canon again.

Comet · June 22, 2015, 08:15:20 PM

cleaned up the thread. this is the verbal warning for the derailment.

Luciana · June 22, 2015, 08:35:25 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on June 22, 2015, 07:46:04 PM

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why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?
Because Fallout 3 was essentially the half-serious revival of the series, with most of the issues referring back to breaking canon and general line of story (set in the East Coast, friendly Brotherhood, Enclave's robot president-in-a-bunker, retarded Supermutants, etc) while FNV tried to correct or incorporate these errors to cover it but had it's own issues due to time constraints (lack of depth for Caesar's Legion - game shows them as black 'n' white bad but with added cut/imagined content would have made them as grey as the NCR)

Also Fallout 3 had a more struggle to survive atmosphere which everyone but diehard fans loved, while FNV took a more realistic but slightly less interesting restoration and revival atmosphere.

There was nothing really canon breaking about it at all. It all fits in with the lore if you actually read the terminals. There is another Brotherhood that is more or less friendly as compared to the west, and they're called the Midwest brotherhood.

A faction of them being friendly isn't too far fetched after all of that. You basically have the conservative ones (West), moderate ones (Midwest), and very far out ones (DC). West wants all by themselves, Midwest is harsh like the west, but also friendly in recruiting as well, and DC is more friendly than all. The FEV thing for mutants also makes sense because it was one of the vaults. It just wasn't as well done as the west so they're far more aggressive and different in tone.

The Enclave bit makes sense too because they retreated to the west, and even though people paint them out to be evil and too black and white, I like to remind everyone that the SAME PEOPLE in Fallout 2 tried to use the FEV on the ENTIRE ATMOSPHERE, thus basically killing everyone other than them, and making the planet probably extinct entirely of life.

Die hard Fallout fans (or retarded ones) might claim FO3 isn't canon, but everything said in it DOES fit in terms of lore. And sorry, but the US is a little over 2500 miles long. Of course things are going to be different on the east and west coast. Hell in Europe in the old days, there was different culture a little over 200 miles away, so to think everything would be the same across the entire country (the west being in similar conditions/circumstances to the east) is just downright stupid.

Luciana · June 22, 2015, 08:37:12 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on June 22, 2015, 08:03:41 PM

and so while Fallout 4 may be canon it's still likely that diehards will find some flaws in it worthy to consider it non-canon again.

Old school Fallout fans should get over it really. As much as it "breaks their canon", they need to face the fact that the series was dead without Bethesda picking it up. Nothing will change and like my previous post said, it fits the lore.

There is a difference between not liking something, and saying it's not canon.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 22, 2015, 08:39:12 PM

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friendly Brotherhood

Fallout endings:

"The death of the Master was the first major step towards ending his mad dream of conquest and enforced peace, but it is the destruction of the Vats that neutralizes the mutant threat. Without the ability to create more mutants and enforce their harsh brand of justice, the mutant armies flee to the east, beyond the no-man's land."

"The Brotherhood of Steel helps the other human outposts drive the mutant armies away with minimal loss of life, on both sides of the conflict. The advanced technology of the Brotherhood is slowly reintroduced into New California, with little disruption or chaos. The Brotherhood wisely remains out of the power structure, and becomes a major research and development house."

FO3's world assumes that the Vault Dweller killed the Master and Rhombus lived, meaning that the BoS essentially followed the mutants East and established another Citadel there to rally behind.

🍁 Aria 🔮 · June 22, 2015, 08:40:39 PM

FEV is retarded (the scientist were experimenting with it; only problem is, all of them would have obviously been dead by the time they got results), but not lore-breaking.

Super Irish · June 22, 2015, 08:46:49 PM

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friendly Brotherhood
Fallout endings:

"The death of the Master was the first major step towards ending his mad dream of conquest and enforced peace, but it is the destruction of the Vats that neutralizes the mutant threat. Without the ability to create more mutants and enforce their harsh brand of justice, the mutant armies flee to the east, beyond the no-man's land."

"The Brotherhood of Steel helps the other human outposts drive the mutant armies away with minimal loss of life, on both sides of the conflict. The advanced technology of the Brotherhood is slowly reintroduced into New California, with little disruption or chaos. The Brotherhood wisely remains out of the power structure, and becomes a major research and development house."

FO3's world assumes that the Vault Dweller killed the Master and Rhombus lived, meaning that the BoS essentially followed the mutants East and established another Citadel there to rally behind.

Quote from: Luciana on June 22, 2015, 08:35:25 PM

Quote from: SuperIrish on June 22, 2015, 07:46:04 PM
Quote from: Comet on June 22, 2015, 07:32:37 PM
why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?
Because Fallout 3 was essentially the half-serious revival of the series, with most of the issues referring back to breaking canon and general line of story (set in the East Coast, friendly Brotherhood, Enclave's robot president-in-a-bunker, retarded Supermutants, etc) while FNV tried to correct or incorporate these errors to cover it but had it's own issues due to time constraints (lack of depth for Caesar's Legion - game shows them as black 'n' white bad but with added cut/imagined content would have made them as grey as the NCR)

Also Fallout 3 had a more struggle to survive atmosphere which everyone but diehard fans loved, while FNV took a more realistic but slightly less interesting restoration and revival atmosphere.
There was nothing really canon breaking about it at all. It all fits in with the lore if you actually read the terminals. There is another Brotherhood that is more or less friendly as compared to the west, and they're called the Midwest brotherhood.

A faction of them being friendly isn't too far fetched after all of that. You basically have the conservative ones (West), moderate ones (Midwest), and very far out ones (DC). West wants all by themselves, Midwest is harsh like the west, but also friendly in recruiting as well, and DC is more friendly than all. The FEV thing for mutants also makes sense because it was one of the vaults. It just wasn't as well done as the west so they're far more aggressive and different in tone.

The Enclave bit makes sense too because they retreated to the west, and even though people paint them out to be evil and too black and white, I like to remind everyone that the SAME PEOPLE in Fallout 2 tried to use the FEV on the ENTIRE ATMOSPHERE, thus basically killing everyone other than them, and making the planet probably extinct entirely of life.

Die hard Fallout fans (or retarded ones) might claim FO3 isn't canon, but everything said in it DOES fit in terms of lore. And sorry, but the US is a little over 2500 miles long. Of course things are going to be different on the east and west coast. Hell in Europe in the old days, there was different culture a little over 200 miles away, so to think everything would be the same across the entire country (the west being in similar conditions/circumstances to the east) is just downright stupid.

Ok, well now I really don't understand why Fallout 3 is hated so much. It didn't really bother me, but thanks for both of you clearing it up.

Luciana · June 22, 2015, 08:58:48 PM

The thing with Fallout, as well as just... other popular games, is that they're loved when they first come out, and then hated over time.

Seriously, everyone loved Fallout 3 when it was first around (I mean in general, so the idgit saying he didn't like it can SHUSH). When NV was coming out, SO MANY PEOPLE were saying it was just a cheap DLC add on thing that wasn't worth $60. Over the years it has shifted. The original fans found something more true to home, and the Fallout 3 fans enjoyed it for the most part as well.

Why it got this weird stigma of "one over the other" is one of the things Fallout fans are amazingly stupid for. Naturally Fallout NV is better mechanically wise, because it IS a sequel. It wouldn't be doing its job if it wasn't. Though me personally think the radio host, music, and world of Fallout 3 was a shit load better than NV. I still love both (and all) of them.

The simple fact of it all is that opinions change over time, people rally and are swayed behind the popular opinion, and now that is what we're stuck with. Same happened with Limbo and Bioshock Infinite as well. Both games massively loved when they were first out the first year or so, then the internet started nit picking at everything and made them both seem shitty, which they're not.

That's not to say they don't have their flaws, because they do (like BS: Infinite's gunplay), but to say they're awful is just the typical haters of the internet looking for something to bash onto.

Azure · June 22, 2015, 09:01:34 PM

I...its a g..game guys

D=

Luciana · June 22, 2015, 09:05:24 PM

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I...its a g..game guys

D=

Sorry >_>

it's probably the franchise lore I'm most into, so when I see people say FO3 breaks canon, I know they're people who have personally never read the terminals or wiki about it.

Mattie G Indahouse · August 19, 2015, 07:52:34 PM

How is it going?

BaconShelf · August 20, 2015, 05:34:13 AM

Only use 9mm pistols and smgs.

Also, you can never go to the Strip because you need that money for your jet, Buffout, hydra, steady, psycho and rebound addictions.

BaconShelf · August 20, 2015, 05:38:46 AM

Quote from: Luciana on June 22, 2015, 08:35:25 PM

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why is the Fallout community so split over whether NV is better or worse the Fallout 3?
Because Fallout 3 was essentially the half-serious revival of the series, with most of the issues referring back to breaking canon and general line of story (set in the East Coast, friendly Brotherhood, Enclave's robot president-in-a-bunker, retarded Supermutants, etc) while FNV tried to correct or incorporate these errors to cover it but had it's own issues due to time constraints (lack of depth for Caesar's Legion - game shows them as black 'n' white bad but with added cut/imagined content would have made them as grey as the NCR)

Also Fallout 3 had a more struggle to survive atmosphere which everyone but diehard fans loved, while FNV took a more realistic but slightly less interesting restoration and revival atmosphere.
There was nothing really canon breaking about it at all. It all fits in with the lore if you actually read the terminals. There is another Brotherhood that is more or less friendly as compared to the west, and they're called the Midwest brotherhood.

A faction of them being friendly isn't too far fetched after all of that. You basically have the conservative ones (West), moderate ones (Midwest), and very far out ones (DC). West wants all by themselves, Midwest is harsh like the west, but also friendly in recruiting as well, and DC is more friendly than all. The FEV thing for mutants also makes sense because it was one of the vaults. It just wasn't as well done as the west so they're far more aggressive and different in tone.

The Enclave bit makes sense too because they retreated to the west, and even though people paint them out to be evil and too black and white, I like to remind everyone that the SAME PEOPLE in Fallout 2 tried to use the FEV on the ENTIRE ATMOSPHERE, thus basically killing everyone other than them, and making the planet probably extinct entirely of life.

Die hard Fallout fans (or retarded ones) might claim FO3 isn't canon, but everything said in it DOES fit in terms of lore. And sorry, but the US is a little over 2500 miles long. Of course things are going to be different on the east and west coast. Hell in Europe in the old days, there was different culture a little over 200 miles away, so to think everything would be the same across the entire country (the west being in similar conditions/circumstances to the east) is just downright stupid.

It's like Halo 3. It doesn't break or override canon, it's just tht it doesn't make sense and isn't a particularly good addition to the canon.

A much more interesting setting would have been the brotherhood civil war.

Mattie G Indahouse · August 20, 2015, 05:46:46 AM

Quote from: Luciana on June 22, 2015, 08:35:25 PM

, I like to remind everyone that the SAME PEOPLE in Fallout 2 tried to use the FEV on the ENTIRE ATMOSPHERE, thus basically killing everyone other than them, and making the planet probably extinct entirely of life.

That's actually a good idea. By doing that you would get rid of the Super Mutants, Ghouls which are just a waste off resources, bandits, raiders and dangerous groups like the Legion. They really were the best bet or rebuilding the US due to their tech and resources.