Hearing Emerald Hill Zone on the Sonic stages just makes me hope we get Chemical Plant Zone and Metropolis Zone added

would be watching the top 8 of ultimate's first supermajor right now but it's late as fuck

Hell of a Grand Final. Void

Quote from: TBlocks on February 04, 2019, 09:56:12 AM

Hell of a Grand Final. Void

I went to bed before it finnished. What happened?

Void had some incredible combos and kills but Leo just played so solid. It came down to it but Leo got the reset and won 3 - 1 in the 2nd set.

The main strength of the CPUs is the fact that all their actions are frame perfect and they input read you to hell. But they are still at the end of the day handeld game software and not some Google Deepmind Forerunner AI. They're prone to predictably and other typical video game AI jank that makes them exploitable.
You've certainly heard this before from Verb, but don't lean too heavily on the AI for practice, otherwise you could develop some bad habbits. Even comparing yourself to the AI isn't really a good metric I feel just due to how janky and inconsistent they can just be sometimes. One moment it's like you're up against Thanos at EVO and the next it will just An Hero itself into any random attack you throw out. Butating them rather consistent Is not a bad goal at all.

As for the turning problem, I suffer from that too. Since I main Samus I can kinda use my b attacks as a crutch to turn but it's rare I manage to pull that off anyway. I'd also like advise about that if you've got it, Verb.

The priority thing mainly relates to Link's down sword bounce thing. If you're in the air and use it, you basically just hold out your sword beneath you until you land and I believe it'll just hit anything that touches it. If you're doing that above someone else, I feel it's very inconsistent if they respond by attacking upwards with any move of their own. Sometimes I just win, sometimes we both take damage and otherwise they just knock me away as if I wasn't doing anything. I'm sure there's some sort of a mechanic at play here but it's felt pretty random to me so far.

it's hard to know precisely what's going on without seeing the interaction itself, but in GENERAL, it's not actually a bad thing to go for what you're trying to go for here

sword moves have what are called "disjointed" hitboxes

usually, when a character uses a move, like mario's forward tilt, not only does this produce a hitbox in front of him (during the move's active frames), it also extends mario's hurtbox as far as his leg gets kicked outward, which allows his opponents to smack him from a further distance than normal for the duration of the move if mario's spacing is poor

disjointed hitboxes, or simply disjoints, are completely detached from the character's hurtbox, because the move involves a weapon that is not part of the user's body, like a sword or whip or some such, meaning the move should always beat out any non-disjoint that comes in contact with it

it's actually kinda difficult to contrive a scenario where link's down air loses to anything, tbh, especially in midair, but if it's happening at all, it's either because of mistiming (overestimating how long the move is active, perhaps, or underestimating how many startup frames it has), or your opponent's attack was able to hit link without touching the sword during the move

or maybe the move you're trying to hit has super armor or something, i don't know, there's many variables

whatever the case, the rules aren't inconsistent, though something weird definitely is going on if link's dair is losing

Like, say you're knocked off the right side of the stage and are facing away from it. You float closer to the stage by holding left and at the right time flick left again to turn your character around just before using your up B (with like Marth or Lucina, for example). I've had it happen numerous times where the flick to change my direction just doesn't get picked up before the up B already initiates - causing me to execute the attack still facing in the wrong direction away from the stage.

i think this has less to do with input lag, and more to do with a misunderstanding of how doing a reverse up+b works

to do a reverse up+b does not involve any extraneous flicking; you simply tilt the stick diagonally upward to the left or right, and then press b, and even if you were facing the wrong way, your character should turn around in midair and perform the move in whatever direction you were tilting

merely flicking the stick to the left once before the up+b would almost certainly lead to mishaps, and there's generally no flicking involved in the process—if you're recovering to the stage from the right, facing backwards, you should be drifting to the left, and then holding diagonally up and to the left as you're recovering

it might seem strange to be performing an up+b with a diagonal input, but the game allows for it

if you're using a controller without a gated stick, it can be difficult (especially in the heat of the moment) to know exactly where an up+b input becomes a side+b input, so that will take some practice

if your controller does have a gated stick, however, you're in luck, as nesting the stick in the upper vertices should guarantee that an angled up+b is performed every single time (unless it's broken)

The one thing I know I'm still bad at is fighting off stage. I only recently started trying it and it more often than not just ends in me killing myself. I hop off, go in for a swing and by the time I can recover with up B I'm already so far below the stage I can't back. I suppose it's probably because I should try to walk off rather than jump so I keep that extra jump after the attack, and that I should be careful with holding down to drop faster as it'll put me very low before I can start recovering.

edgeguarding is definitely a great habit to start getting into, but characters like Link are unfortunately not well-suited for it, as far as jumping off the stage goes, because he has trouble making it back safely

it's not that he can't do it; you just have to KNOW that you'll be able to make it back if you're gonna commit at all, so maybe spend some time in training mode practicing jumping off the stage and seeing how low you can go before you can actually recover—both when your midair jump is used up, and when it isn't

and yes, sometimes running off rather than jumping is better (with link, runoff nair is probably his go-to edgeguard if you must get off the stage), and yeah, not fast-falling into a pit sounds like a bright idea to me

personally, if i'm link, i would probably try edgeguarding with his tools rather than his aerials, because i'm a coward like that

i've found that setting a bomb at the ledge is a pretty decent trap—even if they avoid it, you can generally predict how they'll do it, and punish them accordingly

or you could both just play puff and never have to worry about doing recovery up+Bs at all

For example I had a super embarrassing match at school the other day where little Mac 2 stocked me.

I've been considering it.  I've been trying to find a second character to deal with rushdowns because they fuck my Samus sideways. How's puff against rushers?

i struggle fighting spacies honestly, but little mac is puff food considering they're polar opposite characters, and puff can gimp anyone with a bad recovery rather effortlessly

just don't fight him straight up, get comfortable with the idea of camping and ban FD

Here's the ruleset we use at my school. What do ya think?

Edit: No idea why it's sideways here

Quote from: Verbatim on February 06, 2019, 09:59:14 AM

How the fuck do you get out of Donkey Kong's Stage spike. I just lost to the most garbage player ive ever seen due to that shit and I feel like stabbing a child in the face because of it.

learn to tech

on top of that, i think the most optimal way to mash out of grabs is to spin the stick in circles as opposed to mashing buttons, works for me at least

but if you're at too high % to either tech or mash out, then just Don't Get Hit™

Tournament is out of town btw, so I'm the only rep from my city going. Time to carry