Quote from: Chakas on August 13, 2015, 01:26:44 PM

I've become lost in my own thread. What is going on? What does an emulator even look like?

It's virtual. It's a program that you download (illegally, I'll say again). It'll pop up on your computer screen as a window.

If you have any ROMs downloaded (which are easy enough to find), you use the emulator to load them up.

How do I get one? Is there a walkthrough? I am confused

Quote from: Tyger on August 13, 2015, 01:34:35 PM

Verb being condescending while completely missing the point

Classic

He doesn't have a point. He says, "Yes, I'm a cheater, I don't care, it doesn't hurt anyone, I like to have fun, I'm a dumbfuck egocentric human." That's all he said. What am I supposed to say to that.

Quote from: Incan on August 13, 2015, 01:36:16 PM

Nothing is being stolen though.

You know, except a game.

Not really. Nobody is losing anything by downloading a ROM.

Quote from: Verbatim on August 13, 2015, 01:32:10 PM

Quote from: Chakas on August 13, 2015, 01:26:44 PM

I've become lost in my own thread. What is going on? What does an emulator even look like?

It's virtual. It's a program that you download (illegally, I'll say again). It'll pop up on your computer screen as a window.

If you have any ROMs downloaded (which are easy enough to find), you use the emulator to load them up.

How do I get one? Is there a walkthrough? I am confused

I believe the most popular gameboy one is BGB gameboy emulator, should be a walkthrough on their site.

Yeah Chakas, would be best to download the BGB emulator, though be warned I've never used myself, and find the ISO for Pokemon red of Emu paradise.

Which is an idiotic and toxic mindset, but whatever. I can't really change that.

You could change it by proving your assertion, actually.

I don't see how something having no negative side effects can be a bad thing.

No one wants to--but that's the fucking game. That's part of the experience. If you don't like it, you shouldn't play it.

Actually it's being phased out of the most recent Pokemon games. They're making grinding less and less necessary thanks to stuff like Super Training and EXP shares.

Grinding is necessary to enjoy the other parts of the game, sure. But just speeding it up is of no consequence.

The only thing I ever do is nuzlockes, and no, it most certainly is NOT the same thing. At all.

I didn't equate them like that, I only meant that nuzlockes require the same sort of limitations as cheating. They both require you to say "Okay, here, I draw the line. Here, I won't do this." etc., etc.

I'm setting limitations to make the game harder, without cheating.

Cool man.

Then don't do it. Problem solved.

Except there wasn't a problem until you created one.

I guess downloading emulators isn't illegal

Wouldn't it be? It's "stealing" the company's software to run the ISOs, right?

I use the term "stealing" here very loosely.

Yes, I'm a cheater, I don't care, it doesn't hurt anyone, I like to have fun,

Unless you're going to prove that there's something wrong with that, your whole presence here holds no water.

I'm a dumbfuck egoistic human."

I don't see how that follows. Kind of a dick move, too.

That's all he said. What am I supposed to say to that.

"Okay."

Wouldn't it be? It's "stealing" the company's software to run the ISOs, right?

I use the term "stealing" here very loosely.

I don't fucking know. If that's true, then yeah, I guess it's stealing after all.

And I use the term "steal" VERY tightly.

Unless you're going to prove that there's something wrong with that, your whole presence here holds no water.

I've never met anyone who is too stupid to understand why cheating is a bad thing.

I've even stated it like, three times.

It. Ruins. The game.

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I'm a dumbfuck egoistic human."

I don't see how that follows. Kind of a dick move, too.

If you do things just because they're "fun", and nothing else, then yeah, to me, you're just another typical dumb, ego-driven human. Just because something is "fun" doesn't make it okay.

"Okay."

But it's NOT okay. So that would be a lie.

MY experience.

Yes. Your shitty experience that is worse off than someone who's played the game right.

Um... I only started emulating in the last couple of years. Meaning, I've played all of the games straight before I ever "cheated". So... it's not like I don't have a frame of reference on "fun."

"I've paid for Cheez-its before, and I liked them, so I don't need to pay for them now."

Because it's my prerogative as the player to enjoy the game however I see fit?

Lol. I don't know how many other ways I can phrase this.

Ruining games is an objectively bad way to enjoy them. Ruining art is the exact opposite of appreciating it, and if that's HOW you appreciate it? You're wrong.

It's your prerogative to be wrong.

And as you so "eloquently" put it, you have to put limitations on your cheating as to not go overboard ("Level 100 Charizard before the game even begins.")

Then why cheat at all? Because as you so "eloquently" put it: "durrrr FUN FUN!"

Not good enough. The game is MORE fun if you DON'T cheat. So why cheat?

You've yet to actually justify this statement at all.

I probably did it 4 or 5 times by now, actually, yeah.

I've never met anyone who is too stupid to understand why cheating is a bad thing.

You sound like a child whose mother told her that "cheating=bad" but never put any critical thought into why.

I've even stated it like, three times.

It. Ruins. The game.

Not everyone thinks that way. Some people enjoy the unrestricted version of Pokemon.

If you do things just because they're "fun", and nothing else, then yeah, to me, you're just another typical dumb, ego-driven human. Just because something is "fun" doesn't make it okay.

And just because something is "fun" doesn't make it NOT okay.

Unless there's a negative consequence for the action, it's okay.

But it's NOT okay. So that would be a lie.

"Okay" = Acknowledgement

Yes. Your shitty experience that is worse off than someone who's played the game right.

Cool.

"I've paid for Cheez-its before, and I liked them, so I don't need to pay for them now."

Pokemon isn't a consumable like Cheez-its. Stupid comparison.

Ruining games is an objectively bad way to enjoy them.

"Ruin" is subjective.

It's your prerogative to be wrong.

It's your prerogative to believe that it is my prerogative to be wrong.

Then why cheat at all? Because as you so "eloquently" put it: "durrrr FUN FUN!"

Yeah, how about that? "Fun" being a primary concern in regards to "entertainment".

Not good enough. The game is MORE fun if you DON'T cheat. So why cheat?

Not everyone shares that belief, Verb. Some people like breaking the rules.

Your definition of what's fun and what isn't is not law.

I probably did it 4 or 5 times by now, actually, yeah.

Not once.

Quote from: Incan on August 13, 2015, 01:43:39 PM

Yeah Chakas, would be best to download the BGB emulator, though be warned I've never used myself, and find the ISO for Pokemon red of Emu paradise.

What is an ISO and what does BGB mean?

ISO is the game file

BGB is the name of the emulator

The same could be said about you.

No, it couldn't.

Cheating is only wrong if there is a negative consequence. You believe the game being ruined is the consequence, but that isn't objective and is of no value to me or anyone else.

Simply saying "Cheating is wrong because cheating=wrong" is what I meant about non-critical thinking.

Wrong. If you say "okay", what you're implying is that you have no problem with what was been stated.

That's not how I meant it.

...Yes it is. If you buy a game, you're consuming it.

Except you can't run out of that game. It's endless. A bag of Cheetos isn't - you will run out of Cheetos if you consume them.

False. If I take a piss on the Mona Lisa, it's ruined. It doesn't matter who the fuck thinks it isn't ruined--it IS ruined.

"Only my opinion matters because I'm a boy scout who doesn't want to break the rules." - Verbatim

I could say that I enjoy seeing piss on the Mona Lisa. I don't, but regardless of what you think, my opinion is just as valid as yours.

Your definition of what's fun and what isn't is not law.

Explain to me in detail how cheating makes the game more fun, then.

You're gonna fucking fail so fucking hard.

Meanwhile, allow me to explain precisely why playing the game properly is infinitely more fun and rewarding than cheating could be, because you're apparently too fucked in the head to figure it out yourself.

Developers spend many months carefully crafting these games. Every little thing in the game was created by somebody, and it's all meant to be observed and enjoyed. If I'm walking myself into a new area, I'm going to absorb each and every little bit of it that I can, not only to immerse myself in the game's world and narrative, but to appreciate all of the subtle nuance that the developer's put into the game at the game's pace.

No one likes to grind--but it's all part of the game. Taking away grinding by speeding through the entire game is taking away all that nuance, all the experience, and all the immersion. What used to be a long, arduous, yet rewarding journey is now a ten minute victory given to you on a silver platter, with no real work, effort, or passion involved.

All these precious moments I have from my childhood of searching for hours in tall grass in search of ONE rare Pokémon--sure, I hated searching for that long, but if I could just expedite the whole process, it would have lost ALL its value. The value would have been destroyed completely.

If you don't see the value in subtlety, or nuance, or patience, or adversity, or "the journey", but you DO see value in ruining all that? Just for a quick victory? Then you're just too stupid. And I'm a destination type person.

Simply saying "Cheating is wrong because cheating=wrong" is what I meant about non-critical thinking.

Well, it's a good thing I never actually did that, then. Lying shithead.

That's not how I meant it.

"I say things that I don't mean."

How intelligent.

Except you can't run out of that game. It's endless.

Games can be broken or lost or sold or given away. If you want another copy, you should buy it again. Piracy just makes you a thieving cunt.

"Only my opinion matters because I'm a boy scout who doesn't want to break the rules." - Verbatim

I could say that I enjoy seeing piss on the Mona Lisa. I don't, but regardless of what you think, my opinion is just as valid as yours.

Bullshit. Opinions are nothing but SHIT. You have to BACK THEM UP.

And you've failed to do even do that.

If you CAN'T back it up, or if you back it up POORLY, then your opinion is as good as wrong.

[T]here wasn't a problem until you created one.

Verbatim in a nutshell.