Quote from: Luciana on December 16, 2015, 06:56:59 PMand no shit strong male characters exist, but there are fan serviced males too. I'm just saying that looking at it through one lens is wrong, and while they did fanservice some of those characters, THE ENTIRE POINT WAS THAT THE CHARACTERS ACTUALLY HAVE A CHARACTER AND PERSONALITY THAT OVERCOMES ANY OF THEIR DAMN LOOKS!Regardless of if you like the outfits or not, that part is true.Well, I did ask for female characters that are both strong and aren't designed to be physically attractive...
and no shit strong male characters exist, but there are fan serviced males too. I'm just saying that looking at it through one lens is wrong, and while they did fanservice some of those characters, THE ENTIRE POINT WAS THAT THE CHARACTERS ACTUALLY HAVE A CHARACTER AND PERSONALITY THAT OVERCOMES ANY OF THEIR DAMN LOOKS!Regardless of if you like the outfits or not, that part is true.
Yeah they do.
"I'm not against sex, I'm just against sex."
Yeah he did.
Quote from: Tyger on December 16, 2015, 07:03:38 PMLike go to a gym and look around. 99% of the women will be in a low cut tank top or just a bra.And? they're low-cut because they want to accentuate their tits. That's it. Having a low-cut shirt provides no benefit whatsoever other than "oh look, a female with tits."
Like go to a gym and look around. 99% of the women will be in a low cut tank top or just a bra.
except supporting breasts while letting their skin breathe
Quote from: Verbatim on December 16, 2015, 06:59:28 PMQuote from: Luciana on December 16, 2015, 06:56:59 PMand no shit strong male characters exist, but there are fan serviced males too. I'm just saying that looking at it through one lens is wrong, and while they did fanservice some of those characters, THE ENTIRE POINT WAS THAT THE CHARACTERS ACTUALLY HAVE A CHARACTER AND PERSONALITY THAT OVERCOMES ANY OF THEIR DAMN LOOKS!Regardless of if you like the outfits or not, that part is true.Well, I did ask for female characters that are both strong and aren't designed to be physically attractive...So you're saying what only qualifies is fat and ugly women?Isn't that more shallow than anything?
Quote from: eggsalad on December 16, 2015, 07:07:08 PMexcept supporting breasts while letting their skin breatheYou can let your skin breath without showing cleavage.
So you're saying what only qualifies is fat and ugly women?Isn't that more shallow than anything?
the thing about body heat is....it happens all over your body
Quote from: TBlocks on December 16, 2015, 01:50:13 PMThat one had been stewing for while ever since this thread took off. Fortunately I finally found the right words to adequately describe the idea, even if I wasn't entirely sure of it. So let me know what you think after a while, I'm intrigued.So, yeah, I agree with you to an extent. Earlier, I was speaking from a position of objectivity, which was wrong of me, because the bottom line of my argument is that men and women should be portrayed as "realistically" as possible, which is sort of an appeal to nature.In other words, I'm projecting my personal taste onto everyone else, which isn't right.However, my personal taste is still my personal taste. That hasn't changed a bit. I don't think I can justify my arguments from a feminist perspective anymore--simply my own perspective. My values. You can accept or discard my values as you please, but I'm going to have my values. Nothing is preventing me from discussing my values with other people and attempting to persuade them into my line of thinking.It just won't be from a feminist "sexual characters are sexist" standpoint anymore. It's not that it's sexist--I just really hate expressions of sexuality, and they're incredibly overdone in the game industry. THAT'S my problem.I hope that made sense. I have a headache.
That one had been stewing for while ever since this thread took off. Fortunately I finally found the right words to adequately describe the idea, even if I wasn't entirely sure of it. So let me know what you think after a while, I'm intrigued.
Quote from: eggsalad on December 16, 2015, 07:09:44 PMthe thing about body heat is....it happens all over your bodyI'm sure 3 inches of clothing really make a difference when it comes to releasing body heat.
Quote from: Luciana on December 16, 2015, 07:06:07 PMSo you're saying what only qualifies is fat and ugly women?Isn't that more shallow than anything?Luci you're always telling me not to treat things so black and white.It's not that black and white. There isn't just "impossibly attractive" and "fat and ugly"--there's a middle ground.Alyx (I basically consider her the paragon of female characters right now) reaches that middle ground pretty well.She's not ugly, but she's not impossibly beautiful to the point where you start questioning the motives of the developers.
i would like to point out that I think most girls in real life like to make themselves look good. Like, is that a point we've glossed over a bit perhaps? That a woman can try to look good and present themselves in a way that is attractive? That's an obvious point of course but it is a realistic point imo.
I think some of you are confused on what feminism means.
why do you want to oppress women by forcing them to wear more clothing?
Cleavage also happens to be a sweaty as fuck area when excercising
By thinking women only wear that to attract you, you're treating them as a sexual object.
Women do things other than just to accentuate their tits.
Again, not sure how 3 inches of less clothing on the area of the tits where you sweat the least is going to make a difference.
From what I'm told, it is a lot more comfortable.
Quote from: Dietrich Six on December 16, 2015, 07:13:47 PMI think some of you are confused on what feminism means.Feminism is the belief that women are not inferior to men, and shouldn't be treated as such--in any way.They should have all the same rights and privileges as men do.Everyone is a feminist--some of us just lack the balls to admit it.Unless they really DO believe that women are subhuman, but no one here actually believes that.
But some are a little misguided in how they view women.
Quote from: Tyger on December 16, 2015, 07:14:16 PMBy thinking women only wear that to attract you, you're treating them as a sexual object.I fail to see how.QuoteWomen do things other than just to accentuate their tits.Obviously.
Why the fuck ain't the people you looking at wearing sports bras? A lowcut shirt doesn't do much for holding shit together lol, and sports bras do the opposite of "accentuating" breasts
Okay, I'm not actually "done" (but I still hate the fuck out of Bayonetta)
