Okay, I'm not actually "done" (but I still hate the fuck out of Bayonetta)

 
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No idea, but you were arguing against the notion that women make up almost half of the gaming population. Not against the ratio of male-female  gamers that like and play Bayonetta.
I'm arguing against the notion that women make up almost half the population of games that actually matter.

Facebook games, smart phone games, and games that don't actually contain any misogynistic content don't matter.
Because it's intuitive that a woman wouldn't play a game that exploits her gender.


 
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Most RPG's barely dressed women. HOLY SHIT

IT'S ALMOST LIKE

YOU'RE WRONG
And any woman who is okay with that is a misogynist and gender traitor.


 
 
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Atractive woman in a video game = Unredeemable sexism



Totally fine
VVVV

...I really hope that's out of context


 
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Atractive woman in a video game = Unredeemable sexism

Totally fine
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Yep.


 
 
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oh alright then

that answers that


 
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...I really hope that's out of context
One rape does not outweigh one hundred potential rapes in my mind.


 
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That's because you stay riding his dick.

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...I really hope that's out of context
One rape does not outweigh one hundred potential rapes in my mind.
except that's not potential rapes that's infants being born


 
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...I really hope that's out of context
One rape does not outweigh one hundred potential rapes in my mind.
except that's not potential rapes that's infants being born
Into a world where they can get raped. Or worse.


 
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No idea, but you were arguing against the notion that women make up almost half of the gaming population. Not against the ratio of male-female  gamers that like and play Bayonetta.
I'm arguing against the notion that women make up almost half the population of games that actually matter.

Facebook games, smart phone games, and games that don't actually contain any misogynistic content don't matter.
Because it's intuitive that a woman wouldn't play a game that exploits her gender.

So RPGs don't matter?


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"Women represent 50.2 percent of PC gamers across all genres, including social (Facebook, Kongregate), versus 49.9 percent for men. "

Fucking idiots.
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They need to be excluded before I can accept the data.
talk about cherrypicking


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So RPGs don't matter?
RPGs like what?


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So RPGs don't matter?
RPGs like what?
RPGs, y'know, The Witcher, Fallout, etc


 
 
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...I really hope that's out of context
One rape does not outweigh one hundred potential rapes in my mind.
except that's not potential rapes that's infants being born
Into a world where they can get raped. Or worse.
Imo

Someone being guaranteed that, over 100 people possibly experiencing that later in life doesn't quite weigh up

But then I do try to be optimistic

Either way, I can't say I could ever sanction someone going through that because it 'might' prevent others suffering.


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So RPGs don't matter?
RPGs like what?
RPGs, y'know, The Witcher, Fallout, etc
See, I'd need to know the demographics for all these games, is my point.


 
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So RPGs don't matter?
RPGs like what?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game

I'm assuming of this variety. Unless you're seriously asking that we give you the stats regarding the male-female player ratio of every RPG out there.


 
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I'm assuming of this variety. Unless you're seriously asking that we give you the stats regarding the male-female player ratio of every RPG out there.
Yes. Can't do it? Well, I guess we're just going to have to speculate, then.


 
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I'm assuming of this variety. Unless you're seriously asking that we give you the stats regarding the male-female player ratio of every RPG out there.
Yes. Can't do it? Well, I guess we're just going to have to speculate, then.

Or we can look at actual studies that show that in general women tend to play RPGs more then men.


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No idea, but you were arguing against the notion that women make up almost half of the gaming population. Not against the ratio of male-female  gamers that like and play Bayonetta.
I'm arguing against the notion that women make up almost half the population of games that actually matter.

Facebook games, smart phone games, and games that don't actually contain any misogynistic content don't matter.
Because it's intuitive that a woman wouldn't play a game that exploits her gender.
How so? Is it also intuitive that a man wouldn't play a game that exploits his gender? I'm not following your train of thought on this one

I probably don't count but, one of my favourite games ever is The Witcher 3 (Coincidentally an RPG), and there's definitely a lot in that game that you'd consider misogynistic. But it fits in the universe of the world and the characters display more than just sex appeal. It's also a world full of some pretty grim stuff, I'd find it more weird if that kind of stuff wasn't included. It makes sense for the game to have it, and I'm not going to scream misogyny, the game does it well. I just have a different view on sexuality, which is basically what this is boiling down to.


 
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Or we can look at actual studies that show that in general women tend to play RPGs more then men.
I don't care about "in general."

I want stats on every individual game.


 
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I'm assuming of this variety. Unless you're seriously asking that we give you the stats regarding the male-female player ratio of every RPG out there.
Yes. Can't do it? Well, I guess we're just going to have to speculate, then.

Or we can look at actual studies that show that in general women tend to play RPGs more then men.
Remember that it has to tailor to a very specific set of rules (that can change on a whim) as decided upon by Verbatim.


 
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How so? Is it also intuitive that a man wouldn't play a game that exploits his gender? I'm not following your train of thought on this one
Well, yeah. I wouldn't watch a movie like Magic Mike XXL because I think Channing Tatum is a disgusting sex symbol who is used as a puppet to exploit the male gender.

When it comes to male exploitation, it's easier to use films as an example rather than games. If Magic Mike had a game, I wouldn't play it, because I consider Magic Mike to be a little bit misandric.

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I probably don't count but, one of my favourite games ever is The Witcher 3 (Coincidentally an RPG), and there's definitely a lot in that game that you'd consider misogynistic. But it fits in the universe of the world and the characters display more than just sex appeal. It's also a world full of some pretty grim stuff, I'd find it more weird if that kind of stuff wasn't included. It makes sense for the game to have it, and I'm not going to scream misogyny, the game does it well. I just have a different view on sexuality, which is basically what this is boiling down to.
I won't deny that there's games out there that can play with sexuality in a way that isn't offensive, but I've just seen it happen so very little. To use another film example, I don't know if you've seen Requiem for a Dream, but towards the end, there's a very gruesome sex scene. It's not titillating at all--it's supposed to be sad and almost terrifying. And I wouldn't consider that misogynistic--and it was a necessary part of the story.

So that sort of thing is possible, but it's just very difficult.


 
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Fallout 3 is another example. I'm not really bothered by the fact that there's women in the game who prostitute themselves--the game doesn't glorify the behavior, and it's realistic, given the setting. So are there games out there that can treat sexuality in a mature way? Yes.

It just never is. There's simply not enough games like that.
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There's plenty of examples of strong and "sexy" women in videogames but boyonetta is NOT one of them

Boynetta is literally just like "here mash buttons whole this naked, disgustingly disproportional woman-like creature fights shit for what seems like no reason"


 
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How is Bayonetta any more disgustingly disproportionate than Zero Suit Samus, R. Mika or Quiet?


 
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As long as the sexuality is handled tastefully, it's passable. Bayonetta's is not. Samus is not.