Okay, I'm not actually "done" (but I still hate the fuck out of Bayonetta)

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uhhh...

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Wouldn't assigning the human body value as it is an appeal to nature? You're essentially saying that the human body should not be tampered with because they have to look "normal."

Feels like a bit of a stretch, tbh. It's an interesting thought no doubt, and the most creative response I've seen thus far, but while something being "natural" obviously doesn't make it "good", it also doesn't make it "bad." Like homosexuality -- it's "natural", but it's not wrong because of that. Making a character's body natural (i.e., untampered with, or realistic) is not wrong. Especially considering that making said character's body unnatural (eg., legs for days) is done with the sole intention of selling copies.

You need to demonstrate how something is wrong for it to be wrong. Which we have done here.
Unless its an alien or a SPHESS MAHREEN.


 
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tbh the idea that someone owes alegiance to their gender and its image is one of the core aspects of sexism
Explain (you will fail).

How is it sexist to not want your image desecrated?
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uhhh...

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tbh the idea that someone owes alegiance to their gender and its image is one of the core aspects of sexism
Explain (you will fail).
Ooooohhh so Sith-like. I like it.


 
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tbh the idea that someone owes alegiance to their gender and its image is one of the core aspects of sexism
Explain (you will fail).
Having to compromise yourself in accordance to your gender is bad. Men suffer because men being emotionally open is copped. Women suffer because women being sexually open is copped.


 
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And let's say it was acceptable to demand something be removed because it's icky and gross.
In this case he should be completely against transgenderism and homosexuality. There's no consistency in his philosophy.

It comes down to him thinking sex is gross. But at the same time, he values and respects the emphasis put on sex by transgenders, but dislikes expression of sexuality.

Literally what

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The whole idea of sexual objectification is protecting the gender as a whole (male or female) and essentially assigning more value to the human body. (This is the part where I haven't thought this through in it's entirety I'm just throwing this out there for discussion purposes.) Wouldn't assigning the human body value as it is an appeal to nature? You're essentially saying that the human body should not be tampered with because they have to look "normal."

I don't know about that last bit but I thought I would bring it up.
How is saying "sex and sexuality should be destroyed" an appeal to nature in any way?

It's the opposite.
That's what my original problem was before posting that. But I meant it more as if he thinks there is a "normal" body and that's what he wants to hold onto because of it being "normal" (One could substitute this for "perfect" or something similar) then it is, in fact, an appeal to nature.


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How is it sexist to not want your image desecrated?
It's sexist to require someone to also on the basis that they are a woman. There is absolutely no reason a woman has to associate herself with that image.


 
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male, he/him

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I meant it more as if he thinks there is a "normal" body and that's what he wants to hold onto because of it being "normal" (One could substitute this for "perfect" or something similar) then it is, in fact, an appeal to nature.

Well he's not saying, "We should keep bodies normal because it's natural", which would be a fallacy.

He's saying "We should keep bodies normal because of the negative effects of not doing that that I have been able to demonstrate."

At least, that's what I'm saying.


 
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In this case he should be It comes down to him thinking sex is gross. But at the same time, he values and respects the emphasis put on sex by transgenders, but dislikes expression of sexuality.

Literally what
These two schools of thought do not contradict each other whatsoever. Fucking idiot.

I'm not against people's free choice to have sex and to identify as whatever they feel like.

I'm against the human's desire for sex in the first place. If you want to have sex with a man, go the fuck ahead. If you want to have sex in general, go the fuck ahead. I find it all disgusting, but go ahead.

Hard to believe someone could fuck up that basic concept.
ChallengerX is the dumbest user on Sep7agon.

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How is saying "sex and sexuality should be destroyed" an appeal to nature in any way?

It's the opposite.
He never said that was what I was saying.

Go be an illiterate cunt somewhere else. Piece of shit.


 
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tbh the idea that someone owes alegiance to their gender and its image is one of the core aspects of sexism
Explain (you will fail).
Having to compromise yourself in accordance to your gender is bad. Men suffer because men being emotionally open is copped. Women suffer because women being sexually open is copped.
What does any of this have to do with my beliefs? Fucking idiots, I swear to god.


 
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How is it sexist to not want your image desecrated?
It's sexist to require someone to also on the basis that they are a woman. There is absolutely no reason a woman has to associate herself with that image.
...You realize this is precisely what I'm arguing against.


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by the way verb competitive video games objectively are more wasteful than sex. sex has measurable positive effects on both parties. when you beat someone in smash they got less joy than they probably would have planting a flower. idk why you pretend sex is worse than that. just use BC like a human not sone primordial ape


 
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by the way verb competitive video games objectively are more wasteful than sex.
Wow, it's like I've never once in my life denied this!


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How is it sexist to not want your image desecrated?
It's sexist to require someone to also on the basis that they are a woman. There is absolutely no reason a woman has to associate herself with that image.
...You realize this is precisely what I'm arguing against.
"Either women are against this negative representation of something they don't even have to be associated with or they have betrayed their gender."

when does one join this clit cult


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Ban high heels 2016.


 
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]"Either women are against this negative representation of something they don't even have to be associated with or they have betrayed their gender."

when does one join this clit cult
Everyone should be against negative representations of everything. Not because they're associated with it--but because it's a negative representation in and of itself.

I'm not a woman--I don't associate myself with womanhood--yet I'm against negative representations of women in media.

Not that complicated.


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Excuse me, I'm full of dog poison
It seems to me that the only people who think she's a misogynistic character haven't played the game.

Have you played the game verbsation?
I don't need to. I can simply observe. I'm not talking about the game's gameplay. I'm talking about her design.

No, you're talking about her physical appearance.


 
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No, you're talking about her physical appearance.
Which is her design.


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]"Either women are against this negative representation of something they don't even have to be associated with or they have betrayed their gender."

when does one join this clit cult
Everyone should be against negative representations of everything. Not because they're associated with it--but because it's a negative representation in and of itself.

I'm not a woman--I don't associate myself with womanhood--yet I'm against negative representations of women in media.

Not that complicated.
You have a knack for meaningless "ought to"s. What significance does an image have if no one has to identify with it.


 
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You have a knack for meaningless "ought to"s. What significance does an image have if no one has to identify with it.
Why should poor representations exist?

If you're watching Goodfellas, and they all start shooting each other with water guns instead of pistols, would that be okay with you?


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You have a knack for meaningless "ought to"s. What significance does an image have if no one has to identify with it.
Why should poor representations exist?

If you're watching Goodfellas, and they all start shooting each other with water guns instead of pistols, would that be okay with you?
I just don't watch it because I don't care enough to watch that.

What's so complicated about that?


 
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I just don't watch it because I don't care enough to watch that.

What's so complicated about that?
A good movie is ruined because you're okay with shitty representations. Good going.


 
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No, you're talking about her physical appearance.
Which is her design.
I assume you mean that her physical design (appearance) and her character design (dialogue, traits, etc.) are the same.
Where some people would say the two are separate- that a character isn't tied to how they look. Sort of akin to "Don't judge a book by it's cover"


 
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He's saying "We should keep bodies normal because of the negative effects of not doing that that I have been able to demonstrate."
well, that's what i was about to get into with that tblocks said, because he has sort of changed my mind a bit

hold on


 
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No, you're talking about her physical appearance.
Which is her design.
I assume you mean that her physical design (appearance) and her character design (dialogue, traits, etc.) are the same.
Where some people would say the two are separate- that a character isn't tied to how they look. Sort of akin to "Don't judge a book by it's cover"
when i say "design", i'm referring to specifically to her physical appearance
just to clear that up


 
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Still one of the more skimpy looking Final Fantasy characters who's actual personality and character overcomes anything her appearance may show.

Proof that not all girls with massive breasts or short clothing = sluts or mindless fanservice


I keep using this example, I know.


 
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Still one of the more skimpy looking Final Fantasy characters who's actual personality and character overcomes anything her appearance may show.
why can't we just have a female character who is strong WITHOUT having a fanservice-y design

for once


 
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though they do tone her down in sub-sequential games, but whatever shut up


 
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Still one of the more skimpy looking Final Fantasy characters who's actual personality and character overcomes anything her appearance may show.
why can't we just have a female character who is strong WITHOUT having a fanservice-y design

for once
We can

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Thing is, all shallow characters rely on fanservice, but not all fanservice relies on shallow girls

did that make any sense? I think yes, but paranoid no
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We can


Thing is, all shallow characters rely on fanservice, but not all fanservice relies on shallow girls

did that make any sense? I think yes, but paranoid no
lara croft is a really bad example

alyx is one

i want, like, five hundred thousand more
Last Edit: December 16, 2015, 05:50:55 PM by Verbatim