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Quote from: Verbatim on December 17, 2015, 01:30:18 PM
Quote from: Lemsip on December 17, 2015, 01:28:16 PM
You shouldn't think that sexualization in video games is wrong. Because it isn't.
It is, though. You should think that it is, because it is.
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No doubt you'll reply saying I'm wrong though
That's how arguments work, dipshit.
case in point

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Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 01:30:53 PM
I'm not a good samaritan because I can go do that.
Nobody is saying you are.

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You and others constantly say "there's nothing we can really change about that, so there's no point just talking about it on the Internet".
I've literally never said anything like this in my entire life.

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It does. It's an over exaggeration and taking a totally innocent aspect of something and demonizing it.
It deserves to be demonized.

 
 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 01:34:56 PM
Saving them from what? Being born into a loving family?
Life.

Which is terrible, and you should hate it.
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Actually, you fascist, it's the opposite of free speech. You're telling people how to think and how to talk, and what to say.
Except nobody is saying you have to agree.

If I'm telling you how you should think, which I have every right to do, you are not obliged to listen.

I can then proceed to call you the fucking idiot that you are for not listening to me.

That's how free speech works. You speak your mind.
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Keeps it organized.
Do you know what quote mining is?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context

Saying that I'm "okay with rape" is misleading, because I'm only okay with rape under extreme circumstances where if you don't rape, something worse will happen (like a hundred children being born). I'm not okay with rape in any other scenario.

If you had to rape a woman to save a thousand people from being killed, would you do it?
The correct answer is yes. Guess that makes you a rape supporter.
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>he thinks this is somehow a valid point he's making
You are a general fucking idiot, though. Regardless of the point's validity.
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Well seeing how I wouldn't just willingly rape a girl to prevent people from being born.
Because you're too stupid to concede that having kids is the worst of all crimes.

Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 01:36:49 PM
You're saying you're a feminist when you don't give a shit about real women's issues, though. That was the analogy.
Except I do give a shit about real women's issues.

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
"I have no response, so I'm going to sperg out and post my unfunny forced meme like a fucktard instead."

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Ah, so you admit that feminist logic is crazy.
Ah, so you admit you're the dumbest user on the website.

 
 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
Sorry, I don't join death cults.
Ah. Too stupid?

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Except you're telling people how to think.

Which kebabs if you had power you'd enforce these things. Which means you're a fascist.
>kebabs

You wanna try that again?

And, no, I'm not a fascist, because I wouldn't force my beliefs on to anyone.
I just tell people how to think. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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Just read this out loud to a friend of yours or something. Or in public.
I pretty much have. Most people who know me offline already understand that I'm an anti-natalist. I've discussed the matter with all of my close friends and family, and pretty much everyone sees where I'm coming from. I've even given a presentation on anti-natalism when I was a senior in high school, and it generated one of the most interesting class discussions I've ever had. I ended up convincing at least one person that day.

I just asked my mother about the rape vs. 100 births thing. She's sitting right next to me.
She doesn't agree, but she understands where I'm coming from.

My sister is an anti-natalist--I just asked her, and she agrees as well.

Now cry.

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If it was actual rape? I would probably do it.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

CHALLENGERX SUPPORTS RAPE


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No, you don't.
Yes I do.

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You just admitted it though. You admitted to demonizing something completely harmless.
Just because it's harmless doesn't mean it's harmless.
Last Edit: December 17, 2015, 02:10:37 PM by Verbatim

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
If it was actual rape? I would probably do it.
I'm keeping this forever. Screenshotted.

Spoiler
Obviously, this isn't actually a big deal. There is nothing wrong with picking the least-worst option out of two extremely horrible options, and given the scenario, rape is the least-worst option. It doesn't make you a rape supporter.

But go ahead and continue to call me a rape supporter and cheat the argument, because that's all you know how to do, apparently. At least now, I can accuse you of being a rape supporter now. Now we're even.

Your problems are that you are simply unwilling to look at things from any other perspective than your own. Or at least, you're unwilling to look at MY perspective, because you dislike me. Which is petty.
Last Edit: December 17, 2015, 02:18:53 PM by Verbatim

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 02:50:03 PM
Just not religious.
Cool, neither am I.
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You would. If you could make everybody an antinatalist, you would definitely do it.
You just love to say shit without backing it up, don't you?
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There is.
There's something wrong with free speech? What's that?
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I said friend or in public, not close family.
I've discussed it in public already, as I explained. You're the only person (apart from a few idiots who don't understand the philosophy at all) who has had such a strong reaction against the idea.

It would be pointless to ask a friend because I already know how they're going to respond--they're gonna disagree with me, but they'll see where I'm coming from. Like I already said.

What is your point, anyway?

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To actually prevent death, not protect babies from being born.
LOL DOESN'T MATTER YOU SAID YOU SUPPORTED RAPE

THAT MAKES YOU A RAPE SUPPORTER

totally fair way to argue
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To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic.
Why does everyone here keep acting like rape is a bad thing?

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 02:54:59 PM
I mean, in your mind, you THINK you're stopping suffering, but it's not comparable. You can't willingly put someone through that because one of those babies MIGHT get raped. Mathematically, it's just not sound.
Well, giving the scenario more thought, a lot more than a hundred people are born every few minutes to a point where the act would've been completely futile. So, from that standpoint, mathematically--you're right, it wouldn't be worth it.

I'd have to come up with a stupidly large number--but even then, it's not like you're going to agree. It would be different if all those children were guaranteed to have a shitty life, but technically, there is no guarantee.

I would argue that they would--whether they realize it or not, because I look at a lot of things other than just "happiness" when measuring quality of life. I also look at the cost-benefit of having you around. If you're taking more than you're giving, I wouldn't really want to have you around.

But maybe in the grand scheme, it won't affect much in the end. That's an argument that's beyond this thread, I think.

I know it's a fucked up hypothetical, and I know you hate hypotheticals, but what's what we do in philosophy.
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the one true God is Doctor Doom and we should all be worshiping him.
Kebabs sounds like a euphemism.

"Suck my kebabs, asshole!"

"You don't have the kebabs to kill me!"

"Tell your wife to take your kebabs out of her purse and stand up for yourself!"

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 03:10:31 PM
But be honest. If you could, you would.
Maybe. I'm sure if we were put in a position of power, we'd all do things that would surprise ourselves. I can sit here and say that I wouldn't, because I value freedom of thought, but at the same time, I'm so convinced that I'm right, that maybe I would. I couldn't give you a straight answer.

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There's something wrong with telling how to think, yes.
Let me try rephrasing it, then. It's not that I'm telling you how to think--I'm telling you how I think you should think.

Is that better?
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What do they say?
They think it's an interesting idea, but they use terms like "defeatist" and "pessimistic" and to describe it. They'll talk about how they want to see the human race thrive and achieve "big things" in the future.

I ask them what they mean by "big things," and they'll say stuff like, "Well, maybe we can invent more stuff to help prevent suffering in the future."

Then I'd ask them what we do after that, once all suffering is solved. They don't usually have a good answer beyond, "We'll just be able to relax."

Relax for what? "Just... you know, to chill out and have fun, I guess."
That's what they usually say.

The bottom line is that they all just value life too much. They value their own lives too much, to a point where they wouldn't want anyone to "miss out" on the experience. Natalists mean well, I can't deny that. Mothers and fathers are rarely, if ever, malicious with their intent having children. But that's the attitude I get from most people--well-meaning, but too mired by these heavily-conditioned notions of life and value.

The most interesting point one of my friends brought up was that anti-natalism is rooted in risk-aversion, and how the greatest human successes in history have often involved taking large risks. If you don't take risks, there's no way you're ever going to make the world a better place for everyone to live in. That's a beautiful point, and I don't have a great response to that, other than how it simply rubs me the wrong way.

Ultimately, nobody has ever distanced themselves from me for having my beliefs. Sometimes I'm scared to talk about it with new people, but in general, people respond to the idea not with fear or anger or disbelief, but with curiosity, confusion, and consideration. In general.

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Just the usual apprehensions you'd expect to get.
"Extinction sounds scary," "Without suffering, there is no happiness," etc.

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I mean try and look at what your "philosophy" (whatever you want to call it) from an outside perspective.
Well, sure, from an outsider's perspective, I'm sure the idea sounds very, very strange. I don't blame people for their misgivings. When I first learned about it, I was intrigued, and I wanted to learn more.

What I ended up realizing was that I was kind of an anti-natalist since I was like, six or seven. I mean, not really--only to the extent that I didn't personally want kids. But it wasn't because I didn't like kids--it was because I didn't want the responsibility, I didn't want to put my partner through pregnancy & childbirth, and most of all, I did not want the kid to end up like me (because I had very low self-esteem as a kid).

Not wanting your kid to end up like you is a distinctly anti-natalist sentiment, so in a way, I was already flirting with the idea many many years before I finally determined that, well, maybe nobody should have kids.

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I never personally found the idea weird, but sure, I understand that other people find it very alien.
I've looked at it from that outsider's perspective.

I get it, it's a weird and disagreeable idea. But it's mine, and I've yet to hear a solution that appeals to me even more.

 
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Quote from: challengerX on December 17, 2015, 03:17:44 PM
Alternatively, people could just use condoms and stop having so many babies.
Amen to that.

 
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God you've come full circle right back to this. You were doing well being....not retarded for most of the year.

 
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hahah got you now

no you are wrong

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snippet of my argumeent

objectively we're subjectively discussing semantics here.


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sentence of a provocative nature

this is just an opinion


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EHHEHHEH

re read my OP and then come back to me.


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Quote from: Jocephalopod on December 17, 2015, 04:35:13 PM
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hahah got you now

no you are wrong

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snippet of my argumeent

objectively we're subjectively discussing semantics here.


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sentence of a provocative nature

this is just an opinion


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EHHEHHEH

re read my OP and then come back to me.

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no you are wrong

um don't think so buddy, you are in fact wrong

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objectively we're subjectively discussing semantics here.


objectively i'd have to agree with you but subjectively i can't as your opinions are objective. btw semantics are subjective and thus not real.

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this is just an opinion

once again, give me some empirical evidence rather than these subjective semantic objectives


please re read my previous argument before telling me to reread my previous argument


 

 
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Quote from: Batch on December 17, 2015, 04:28:17 PM
God you've come full circle right back to this. You were doing well being....not retarded for most of the year.
yeah please ignore the fact that the last two responses were 100% cordial in nature, you fuck

 
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Quote from: Jocephalopod on December 17, 2015, 04:39:11 PM
Quote from: Jocephalopod on December 17, 2015, 04:35:13 PM
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hahah got you now

no you are wrong

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snippet of my argumeent

objectively we're subjectively discussing semantics here.


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sentence of a provocative nature

this is just an opinion


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EHHEHHEH

re read my OP and then come back to me.

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no you are wrong

um don't think so buddy, you are in fact wrong

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objectively we're subjectively discussing semantics here.


objectively i'd have to agree with you but subjectively i can't as your opinions are objective. btw semantics are subjective and thus not real.

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this is just an opinion

once again, give me some empirical evidence rather than these subjective semantic objectives


please re read my previous argument before telling me to reread my previous argument
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objectively i'd have to agree with you but subjectively i can't as your opinions are objective. btw semantics are subjective and thus not real.

sementics are objective and therefore a subjective fact

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once again, give me some empirical evidence rather than these subjective semantic objectives

the subjective burden of proof is on you. objectivley find me some imperial evicend and then we will talk

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um don't think so buddy, you are in fact wrong

nope wrong again. stupidmin

 
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Quote from: Verbatim on December 17, 2015, 01:56:25 PM
My sister is an anti-natalist--I just asked her, and she agrees as well.
Yeah but based on what you've told us before, she's a fucking loon and a tumbler-tier special snowflake "feminist"

 
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Quote from: Simseoh on December 16, 2015, 07:55:51 AM
Quote from: Elink on December 15, 2015, 05:23:30 PM
I still cannot comprehend why the fuck Zero Suit Samus wears high-heels.

Like, I can understand having a skin-tight layer underneath the regular armour (that doesn't excuse her needlessly curvaceous figure, though), but why the fuck are you wearing those shoes?!
her feet are the shape of high heels, they're just normal shoes to her.


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Quote from: Verbatim on December 17, 2015, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: Batch on December 17, 2015, 04:28:17 PM
God you've come full circle right back to this. You were doing well being....not retarded for most of the year.
yeah please ignore the fact that the last two responses were 100% cordial in nature, you fuck
I will little fish.

 
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Quote from: eggsalad on December 17, 2015, 07:57:54 PM
Quote from: Simseoh on December 16, 2015, 07:55:51 AM
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I still cannot comprehend why the fuck Zero Suit Samus wears high-heels.

Like, I can understand having a skin-tight layer underneath the regular armour (that doesn't excuse her needlessly curvaceous figure, though), but why the fuck are you wearing those shoes?!
her feet are the shape of high heels, they're just normal shoes to her.


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dear lord no

 
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