Halo Wars 2 Complaints

Tackel · June 13, 2016, 07:53:11 PM

Making a different thread, because fuck this shit.

This game is NOT Halo Wars. It feels like a completely different game. This game ffels like Microsoft's version to ripoff other RTSs and slap a Halo skin onto it.

1) Generator income/Base upgrades replacing Reactors. This feels clunky and inconvenient. Not to mention time consuming. Halo Wars does not need another resource. Do not turn this game into another Starcraft ripoff, please allow it to keep its unique feel.

2) Vehicles and Air units only have one upgrade. I could be wrong since the user interface is slightly overbearing, but I don't see power turrets/chaff pods or their equivalent tier upgrades. Are they gone? If so, why? What kind of pacing are you trying to introduce, and why are you removing upgrades from that equation?

3) Control changes. OK, this one is simply because of how much time I've spent on the original Halo Wars. I'm having a difficult time adjusting to the bumper and d-pad changes, when there were other buttons that were never used. Why change already allocated buttons?

4) The beta itself. What the fuck is this? This game looks, feels, and plays like a game in it's pre-alpha stage. Did Microsoft rush this out for E3 and call it a "beta" because it sounds nicer? Keep in min,d we're getting another Beta this fall for the game.

Also, using a gamemode where no one can actually build units and test them for your introduction to the game? These are the people that will be in charge of managing the game after release? Christ, you might as well have had this game developed in-house by 343i.

Septy · June 13, 2016, 07:55:48 PM

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/38bd6e2ebbb14e5b9b359bb029588800/topics/my-opinion-on-halo-wars-2-devs-please-read-this/714adaa5-db4f-4413-9b03-899e231fc30d/posts

Did you just fucking copy/paste from Halowaypoint. And I agree HW2 is trash

Tyger · June 13, 2016, 08:01:03 PM

Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 07:55:48 PM

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/38bd6e2ebbb14e5b9b359bb029588800/topics/my-opinion-on-halo-wars-2-devs-please-read-this/714adaa5-db4f-4413-9b03-899e231fc30d/posts

Did you just fucking copy/paste from Halowaypoint. And I agree HW2 is trash

lol he so did

Jono · June 13, 2016, 08:20:57 PM

Looks like Halo Wars 2 is gonna flop even harder than C&C 4

Septy · June 13, 2016, 08:21:43 PM

Anyway this post sums up my thought on HW2.
http://neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=206868827

Spoiler

Having played some more of this I am wondering what the hell is the point of the effort CA/343 have put in thus far. Fine its a "beta" but when your beta takes all the positives of the original and makes them worse than the 7 year old original you have a huge problem. The message it sends to fans is hey, we don't care about this like you do.

How do you not start from what worked so well and then enhance stuff. All you had to do was take HW1, enhance the graphics, slightly larger zoom mode, increase pop count, add some new BALANCED units, new maps and ship it. Blows my mind that 7 years later and however many more times powerful console and I have a smaller pop cap...what?! The controls are so sluggish, the UI terrible, the graphics particularly the bases look so bad, awful performance, ugh so frustrated and disappointed beyond belief. Well aware its a beta or even alpha but it doesn't contain the spirit of HW, really questions/re-enforces the integrity of 343 in their stewardship of Halo. With how good HW1 it really felt like this should have been a no brainier.

It also seems to show that 343 doesn't learn at all from their past experiences, the number of problems people are having even with launching the beta is crushing their image, well maybe re-enforcing at this point since it is basically their MO now. I am somewhat angry at myself but totally should have expected as much from 343. 343's oversight on this project seems to bad as well, they clearly do not understand the original game or the fundamentals that made it so great. I have no history with CA but it really feels like you haven't even played the first halo wars. Having played HW1 the previous evening, I literally am leaving the beta to go back to HW1 because it is miles better.

Huge error announcing a date for this already. The one good thing you have done though is put this "beta" in our hands and hopefully early enough or the impact of this feedback will cause you to re-think your direction. At this point it probably would be a good idea to just re-release HW1 with your planned definitive edition on your already announced date, give us a map pack and delay HW2 for another year. Additional betas/hands on checkpoints are going to be needed to restore any hope.

Deesbee · June 13, 2016, 09:26:12 PM

I am hoping it is at current quality cause it is a very, very early beta it seems. But god I hate the basic art style. And H5's beta was much more polished than this one is. Hoping to see another later in development, because there are gonna need to be BIG changes.

big sponge · June 13, 2016, 09:28:57 PM

Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 08:21:43 PM

Didn't read the entire thing, but from the first few sentences I can tell this person doesn't know what they're talking about. The unitcap in HW1 was 50 max for normal games. In HW it's 60.

Septy · June 13, 2016, 09:31:39 PM

Quote from: LC on June 13, 2016, 09:28:57 PM

Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 08:21:43 PM

Didn't read the entire thing, but from the first few sentences I can tell this person doesn't know what they're talking about. The unitcap in HW1 was 50 max for normal games. In HW it's 60.

Are you sure you know what you're talking about.

In HW1 the UNSC starts 30 max units. This can be increased to 40. There's one map where you can get a special upgrade to up it to 50.

June 13, 2016, 09:31:44 PM

Fucking

Synths!

big sponge · June 13, 2016, 09:55:29 PM

Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 09:31:39 PM

Quote from: LC on June 13, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 08:21:43 PM

Didn't read the entire thing, but from the first few sentences I can tell this person doesn't know what they're talking about. The unitcap in HW1 was 50 max for normal games. In HW it's 60.
Are you sure you know what you're talking about.

In HW1 the UNSC starts 30 max units. This can be increased to 40. There's one map where you can get a special upgrade to up it to 50.

Take a look at what I said, in HW1 the unit max was 50. By default HW2 has a higher cap and thats without the cap upgrade you can get from your armory/war council.

Septy · June 13, 2016, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: LC on June 13, 2016, 09:55:29 PM

Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 09:31:39 PM
Quote from: LC on June 13, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 08:21:43 PM

Didn't read the entire thing, but from the first few sentences I can tell this person doesn't know what they're talking about. The unitcap in HW1 was 50 max for normal games. In HW it's 60.
Are you sure you know what you're talking about.

In HW1 the UNSC starts 30 max units. This can be increased to 40. There's one map where you can get a special upgrade to up it to 50.

Take a look at what I said, in HW1 the unit max was 50. By default HW2 has a higher cap and thats without the cap upgrade you can get from your armory/war council.

You said for normal games the cap was 50. 99% of the time you won't have a 50 cap.

While the population has increased the amount of units has decreased. In HW1 a fully upgraded UNSC leader can have 40 marine squads or 40 warthogs. In HW2 a fully upgraded UNSC leader can have 26 marine squads or 16 Warthogs.

big sponge · June 13, 2016, 10:16:15 PM

Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 10:01:41 PM

Quote from: LC on June 13, 2016, 09:55:29 PM
Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 09:31:39 PM
Quote from: LC on June 13, 2016, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 08:21:43 PM

Didn't read the entire thing, but from the first few sentences I can tell this person doesn't know what they're talking about. The unitcap in HW1 was 50 max for normal games. In HW it's 60.
Are you sure you know what you're talking about.

In HW1 the UNSC starts 30 max units. This can be increased to 40. There's one map where you can get a special upgrade to up it to 50.

Take a look at what I said, in HW1 the unit max was 50. By default HW2 has a higher cap and thats without the cap upgrade you can get from your armory/war council.
You said for normal games the cap was 50. 99% of the time you won't have a 50 cap.

While the population has increased the amount of units has decreased. In HW1 a fully upgraded UNSC leader can have 40 marine squads or 40 warthogs. In HW2 a fully upgraded UNSC leader can have 26 marine squads or 16 Warthogs.

Normal games meaning everything outside of Deathmatch where the unit cap was 99.

Balance changes have made marines and warthogs stronger so they're no longer lowest pop units. That's a horrible metric by which to measure this by.

June 13, 2016, 11:16:20 PM

Quote from: Vien on June 13, 2016, 09:31:44 PM

Fucking

Synths!

Wait, what?

I don't have an Xbox anymore, so I'm not even playing this game, but that's Cutter? He looked so much better in the original.

Ian · June 13, 2016, 11:22:26 PM

ITT: People complaining that the sequel to Babies First Strategy will be even more of a failure than the first one was.

The most valid complaint about the game is that it exists.

June 13, 2016, 11:37:42 PM

Quote from: Ian on June 13, 2016, 11:22:26 PM

ITT: People complaining that the sequel to Babies First Strategy will be even more of a failure than the first one was.

The most valid complaint about the game is that it exists.

Halo Wars was super fun because I suck at RTS

I played Tiberian Sun all the time when I was a kid on Windows 98, but had to do it at like the lowest difficulty

Stroud · June 14, 2016, 12:17:11 AM

Dawn of War 3 will be better.

big dog · June 14, 2016, 05:52:00 AM

this game is pretty boring :/

Tackel · June 14, 2016, 08:15:32 AM

Quote from: Septy on June 13, 2016, 07:55:48 PM

https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/38bd6e2ebbb14e5b9b359bb029588800/topics/my-opinion-on-halo-wars-2-devs-please-read-this/714adaa5-db4f-4413-9b03-899e231fc30d/posts

Did you just fucking copy/paste from Halowaypoint. And I agree HW2 is trash

That's my account you nigger.

BaconShelf · June 14, 2016, 08:31:12 AM

Yeah the stuff I've heard hasn't been particularly enthraling (My download wasn't done this morning. Hoping it will be by the time I get home). I'm remaining hopeful but I'm not really all that excted right now. Plus, selling new leaders and units as DLC is disgusting.

If it were to come out on the same day as Mass Effect (They're both releasing Q1 next year, so it seems an apt comparison as I'm interested in both) I'd be going for Mass Effect, and I've not even seen any gameplay of that yet. I'm hardly surprised at 343 making mediocre products at this point, but I'm disappointed in CA.

Tyger · June 14, 2016, 08:40:10 AM

This game is boring :/ and in 2016 why is the unit cap fucking minuscule

A Cheese Potato · June 14, 2016, 08:41:48 AM

is the beta online multiplayer only, or can you vs an ai

I need to know before committing to the download haha

Tyger · June 14, 2016, 08:43:22 AM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on June 14, 2016, 08:41:48 AM

is the beta online multiplayer only, or can you vs an ai

I need to know before committing to the download haha

online only

A Cheese Potato · June 14, 2016, 08:45:54 AM

Quote from: Tyger on June 14, 2016, 08:43:22 AM

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on June 14, 2016, 08:41:48 AM
is the beta online multiplayer only, or can you vs an ai

I need to know before committing to the download haha
online only

damn, oh well, thanks

Tackel · June 14, 2016, 12:08:43 PM

Quote from: Tyger on June 14, 2016, 08:40:10 AM

This game is boring :/ and in 2016 why is the unit cap fucking minuscule

I think it's because of the gamemode. We're getting regular skirmish on the 16th. If its still 60 in skirmish, then fuck this shit. Especially because units now take up an upsured amount of unit slots. A marine group is now 3 instead of 1. If it's like that in the real game, then that means a SEQUEL on a NEXT GEN system will have 30 less units on screen than it's previous game.

alphy · June 14, 2016, 12:58:37 PM

Quote from: Vien on June 13, 2016, 09:31:44 PM

Fucking

Synths!

his voice and look was so much better in the original

Mr. Psychologist · June 14, 2016, 01:20:43 PM

Quote from: Stroud on June 14, 2016, 12:17:11 AM

Dawn of War 3 will be better.

We can only hope

I'm still on the fence about it but it's early days.

Jono · June 14, 2016, 02:28:53 PM

KANE'S WRATH STILL THE KING OF CONSOLE RTS GAMES

They need to copy everything from that game, slap the Halo paintjob on it, and BOOM you got a excellent console RTS game and I'd buy it.

Stroud · June 14, 2016, 02:39:41 PM

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on June 14, 2016, 01:20:43 PM

Quote from: Stroud on June 14, 2016, 12:17:11 AM
Dawn of War 3 will be better.
We can only hope

I'm still on the fence about it but it's early days.

It kind of looks like a mobile game honestly, but it's something I'd still play.

Mr. Psychologist · June 14, 2016, 02:50:00 PM

Quote from: Stroud on June 14, 2016, 02:39:41 PM

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on June 14, 2016, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: Stroud on June 14, 2016, 12:17:11 AM
Dawn of War 3 will be better.
We can only hope

I'm still on the fence about it but it's early days.

It kind of looks like a mobile game honestly, but it's something I'd still play.

Yeah the graphics are a little... eh but I can live with them being sub-par.

It's the three races thing that worries me.

I doubt they are gonna do proper expansions like WA/DC/SS and go more along the lines of 'here have a new race pack!' and that will break my blood-pump.

Stroud · June 14, 2016, 03:27:50 PM

Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on June 14, 2016, 02:50:00 PM

Quote from: Stroud on June 14, 2016, 02:39:41 PM
Quote from: Mr. Psychologist on June 14, 2016, 01:20:43 PM
Quote from: Stroud on June 14, 2016, 12:17:11 AM
Dawn of War 3 will be better.
We can only hope

I'm still on the fence about it but it's early days.

It kind of looks like a mobile game honestly, but it's something I'd still play.
Yeah the graphics are a little... eh but I can live with them being sub-par.

It's the three races thing that worries me.

I doubt they are gonna do proper expansions like WA/DC/SS and go more along the lines of 'here have a new race pack!' and that will break my blood-pump.

What?! Only three races? I didn't know that. Hopefully they don't adopt the same policy as Dawn of War Two. I will be livid if Imperial Guard is not included.

Spoiler

Also Death Korps of Krieg or bust. I don't want to see the generic guard uniform again.