The Gravemind tells us something impossible to understand— that most of what has been gathered comes from before there were stars. We do not believe in such a time, but the Mind insists … The life-patterns and living wisdom of a hundred billion years.

 Bear, Greg (2013-03-19). Halo: Silentium (Forerunner) (p. 322). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition.

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Halo, no offense but Mass Effect is one of the hilarious and weakest sci fi games out there. If it was Halo vs Warhammer then its a completely different story since Warhammer is (VERY SUPER OP) compared to Halo.

Unless it's Precursors and Forerunners (Lol even Forerunners) vs Warhammer. Then it'd be far less than a curbstomp. Hell the Forerunners by themselves would wreck a hell of a lot of shit before something in the upper echelon of Warhammer fights back.

lol, the necrons would like to disagree with you, they are basically very hard to kill and can still kick ass even if they're down, the Forerunners would be stomped by them, and since they're non organic, they can't be affected by the Halo Rings, which means that the forerunners would be dead anyways. Now going against the Precursors would be very interesting.

The Halo rings can actually be dialed down to kill planets, as seen in one of the books. (Cryptum I believe?)

You're right, I almost forgot about that. But that would mean it's only the chaos gods and their armies to deal with (since they live in a another dimension) and they can wipe out the forerunners with no problem.

Forerunners kick ass in the conventional warfare aspect. But they'll have to cry to their parents the Precursors when shit gets hairy with the non-conventionals.

I thought the Forerunners kick the Precursors ass?

From my understanding, the Precursors let them. Of course, some went to hiding then came back as Floodcursors.

I mean seriously, these are older-than-our-universe beings who's idea of fun is creating galaxies worth of life and things and degrading themselves so they can experience the ride.

They're essentially bored almost omniscient beings. I highly doubt that the Precursors playing with the Milky Way galaxy were the only ones out there.

There is literally zero evidence to even remotely suggest that the Precursors are older than our universe. Like, zero evidence. The most concrete shit on them is that they're millions of years old, but nothing even close to multiple billions.

Books and wikis would like a talk with you.

I think there was a mistake here, the Precursors are probably older than our galaxy, I find it difficult to believe they were around before the universe popped into existence, no matter what they could do.

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They were an incredibly advanced race of beings who explored many galaxies and seeded them with life over the course of many billions of years. As transsentient beings, they existed on an abstract level beyond that of conventionally sapient biological organisms. They were not tied to any particular physical form, assuming any shape as they saw fit; they would allow themselves to die away and be evolved anew over and over again, taking on numerous incarnations both physical and immaterial. They lived through different stages of technological and cultural development countless times, being at times hyper-advanced and spacefaring and at others living primitively and remaining confined to their worlds.[7] The Precursors based their existence around the philosophical concepts of the Mantle, Living Time, and a meta-technological mechanism known as neural physics, which enabled them to manipulate the fabric of the universe. According to the philosophical aspect of neural physics, the universe itself is a living entity, though vastly different in nature and scale from organic beings.[8] The Precursors' stewardship for all life involved the belief that all experience of biological organisms enriched the greater, universal whole,[9] something they experienced firsthand through the constantly changing nature of their own existence. To contain their vast knowledge and experience the Precursors created the Domain, a transcendent quantum reservoir of information later accessed by the Forerunners.[10]

The Precursors were responsible for seeding the Milky Way with life, creating the galaxy's diverse composition of species. Over time, they would also judge whether a species was worthy of the Mantle, their assumed role of guardianship of all life. The humanoid species native to the world of Ghibalb, who would come to be known as the Forerunners, were next chosen for this task. This species was eventually judged to be unworthy of taking on the Mantle and the Precursors instead decided that the responsibility would fall on the shoulders of another of their creations; a collection of species referred to as humanity, hailing from the planet known as Erde-Tyrene. When the Precursors announced their decision to the Forerunners around 10,000,000 BCE, the latter furiously retaliated against their creators and drove them to near-extinction, first in the Milky Way and eventually in the satellite galaxy of Path Kethona; only a small number managed to escape the Forerunners' campaign of extermination. According to the Precursors themselves the Forerunners struck against their creators unprovoked,[11] while certain Forerunners who learned the truth later on insisted that the Precursors had planned to wipe out the Forerunners first.

Except Halopedia does NOT back up this claim with any lore anywhere, it's just pulled out of their ass. And many billions =/= older than the universe. Whoever wrote this on the Precursors did a piss poor job, considering they are at most mentioned to be millions of years old, and never billions. The most I've ever seen with actual, substantial lore is millions, spoken by a Precursor himself, and not just a wild guess thrown into a wikipedia article.

I wasn't disputing their age, or trying to argue about what they can do, I'm pointing out that it seems you all got caught up on a word that was there by mistake.

They can still be billions of years old, but they can't really be older then the universe, that means they're literally gods, divine beings. Instead of "an incredibly advanced race of beings".

Older than our galaxy? Sure, older than the universe? Well if so it wouldn't have taken them "many billions of years" to seed some galaxies. As gods, it would be a snap of their fingers.

Mass Effect would probably have an even chance in infantry combat; it's weaponry is much more advanced than the UNSC (lolnatorounds) and their armour for their standard infantry seems to be actual armour rather than something barely better than today. their vehicles also come fulyl armoured (See: Mako, Hammerhead, that Krogan troop transport thing) whereas both the UNSC and Covenant's main tanks and recon vehicles are all lightly armoured/ not at all armoured and don't really reach that high a speed. A Scarab tank would probably be the deciding factor (Alongside the lekgolo as a whole) due to their unique forms and combat that isn't really matchedby any ME species like

Spoiler

Turians = Elites
Krogan = Brutes and so forth

However, mass effect ultimately fails in it's naval and air force capabilities; their ships have many weak points that could easily be blasted (Thank you aesthetic design) to sever a ship and they seem to have CIC and bridge with only windows to space. In this regard, the Geth would be the best option for space combat here, as they explicitly build their ships for combat (Alongside having massive infantry capabilities). However, the Mass Effect has something that Halo does not; Mass Relays; these things allow much faster interstellar travel, and Mass effect has colonised their entire galaxy, whereas Halo only has a bit of the Orion Arm. (Note- if this were in a neutral galaxy with no relays, then Halo still wins on the interstellar travel part, I believe)

So in reality, mass effect could swarm Halo with superior numbers of infantry that are all better equipped than in Halo (Well, beter than the UNSC, anyway) and a multi-million unit army comprised of a networked intelligence that is able to utilise entire planets for resources if necessary. If Mas Relays are in play, then ME could easily conduct fast attack raids on a Halo planet/ fleet, doing a medium amount of damage and running off to the other side of the galaxy where they can't be followed. If in a neutral galaxy, then Halo is able to utilise slipsace travel to a greater effect than ME's interstellar travel (The type you use in  a star cluster) as it is longer-ranged, and Halo's fleets typically bear much heavier firepower, and a CSO-class supercarrier could quite easily #rek a mass effect fleet, not including the many thousands of ships assigned to defend the Covenant's 3,000 light-year territory and the human armada.

So, if on ME's terms (Mass Relays available), they have a chance. On Halo's/ Neutral terms, Halo roflstomps.

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Mass Effect would probably have an even chance in infantry combat; it's weaponry is much more advanced than the UNSC (lolnatorounds) and their armour for their standard infantry seems to be actual armour rather than something barely better than today. their vehicles also come fulyl armoured (See: Mako, Hammerhead, that Krogan troop transport thing) whereas both the UNSC and Covenant's main tanks and recon vehicles are all lightly armoured/ not at all armoured and don't really reach that high a speed. A Scarab tank would probably be the deciding factor (Alongside the lekgolo as a whole) due to their unique forms and combat that isn't really matchedby any ME species like

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Turians = Elites
Krogan = Brutes and so forth

However, mass effect ultimately fails in it's naval and air force capabilities; their ships have many weak points that could easily be blasted (Thank you aesthetic design) to sever a ship and they seem to have CIC and bridge with only windows to space. In this regard, the Geth would be the best option for space combat here, as they explicitly build their ships for combat (Alongside having massive infantry capabilities). However, the Mass Effect has something that Halo does not; Mass Relays; these things allow much faster interstellar travel, and Mass effect has colonised their entire galaxy, whereas Halo only has a bit of the Orion Arm. (Note- if this were in a neutral galaxy with no relays, then Halo still wins on the interstellar travel part, I believe)

So in reality, mass effect could swarm Halo with superior numbers of infantry that are all better equipped than in Halo (Well, beter than the UNSC, anyway) and a multi-million unit army comprised of a networked intelligence that is able to utilise entire planets for resources if necessary. If Mas Relays are in play, then ME could easily conduct fast attack raids on a Halo planet/ fleet, doing a medium amount of damage and running off to the other side of the galaxy where they can't be followed. If in a neutral galaxy, then Halo is able to utilise slipsace travel to a greater effect than ME's interstellar travel (The type you use in  a star cluster) as it is longer-ranged, and Halo's fleets typically bear much heavier firepower, and a CSO-class supercarrier could quite easily #rek a mass effect fleet, not including the many thousands of ships assigned to defend the Covenant's 3,000 light-year territory and the human armada.

So, if on ME's terms (Mass Relays available), they have a chance. On Halo's/ Neutral terms, Halo roflstomps.

Actually if on ME's terms ME would easily ROFLSTOMP, considering they have trillions compared to Halo's only billions. This is huge - UNSC would be so vastly outnumbered and outgunned they wouldn't know how to play with themselves even if there was a booklet with directions and pop out pictures. It would be like how the Covenant attacked Reach is overwhelming force, but everywhere. They would not have a chance.

But of course, Halo play that. They (especially the Covies) prefer a game of "the floor is lava."

Don't forget the NOVA bomb either. One of those being blown up on an ME planet would probably scare the absolute flying fuck outta them. That is more firepower than what the planet with the "Prothean caused" scar was dished with.

The UNSC didn't expect too much from the NOVA bomb, but it did so.

By destroying half the surface of said planet and shattering it's moon. Take into consideration that prothean's power is non-existent and that all that's left of them are their relics.

But the UNSC and covenant. ME may have their number, but the unsc + covenant carry bigger punches.

Lets remember that this is post war UNSC, meaning they ships are refitted with shield tech and probably stronger weaponry. The UNSC's Infinity has gigaton yield MACs, making the ME magnetic accelerators look like peashooters (they're double-digit to low triple digit kiloton rated)

>Post-War UNSC
ME already lost
>Pre-War Covenant
ME was revived just so it could be killed again
>Prometheans machines
idk

Seriously though, I love both franchises, but ME is severely underpowered for a reason. It's like pitting cavemen against the U.S. Navy.

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Post-War UNSC wins by a landslide.
Pre-Schism Covenant curbstomps.
Forerunners would swat the Mass Effect Universe like a fly.
Precursors are basically Gods, and essentially unkillable unless they allow it (see: Forerunners killing Precursors, because they didn't stop them from killing them)

Mass Effect is quite a weak Universe. The strongest force in that Universe is The Reapers, which really aren't that powerful.

God you're retarded. Yeah let's just forget that ME has trillions of soldiers available, vastly outnumbering both the UNSC and Covenant, who ONLY occupy a small PART of the Orion Arm while ME occupies ALL of the Milky Way.

This is like Germany fighting the USSR during WWII, but multiplied by a hundred. And unless you're also retarded to how history went, Germany lost. Halo doesn't have enough to fight and defeat ME.

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Post-War UNSC wins by a landslide.
Pre-Schism Covenant curbstomps.
Forerunners would swat the Mass Effect Universe like a fly.
Precursors are basically Gods, and essentially unkillable unless they allow it (see: Forerunners killing Precursors, because they didn't stop them from killing them)

Mass Effect is quite a weak Universe. The strongest force in that Universe is The Reapers, which really aren't that powerful.

God you're retarded. Yeah let's just forget that ME has trillions of soldiers available, vastly outnumbering both the UNSC and Covenant, who ONLY occupy a small PART of the Orion Arm while ME occupies ALL of the Milky Way.

This is like Germany fighting the USSR during WWII, but multiplied by a hundred. And unless you're also retarded to how history went, Germany lost. Halo doesn't have enough to fight and defeat ME.

Since when we're we only talking about UNSC vs Systems Alliance?

This is Universe vs Universe, meaning all forces, past and present.

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Alright. Calm down pissy pants.
I don't see you jumping down anyone else's throat for mentioning something other than what the rules state.

Post-War UNSC + Pre-Schism Covenant would still win.

Ground forces would only just tip in ME's favour because of numbers and because they're outfitted in more than cardboard armour and aren't using outdated firearms (the UNSC, that is, besides the Spartans). The Covenant would stand a much greater chance on the ground because of their superior armour and weaponry.
The Prometheans would be a greater threat to ground forces too, because of superior tech, but the numbers of ME would become overwhelming at a point.
Air/Space combat? UNSC/Covenant would easily take that. Reapers are laughably weak, and the ships of the other races in ME are even worse than the Reapers are. The Halo Universe is significantly more advanced than Mass Effect is when it comes to ships and ship combat.


And ground forces mean jack shit when the Covenant can just bombard planets with plasma and turn them into smoldering wastelands.
Let's not forget about MAC bombardment by all UNSC ships, which would rip through everything (a standard MAC has a destructive output of about 64 kilotons of TNT). The MAC cannons on an orbital defense platform alone output up to 51 gigatons or force. The 4 MAC cannons on the Infinity can punch craters that are several miles wide and can knock in-atmosphere ships out of the air.

The 64 number belongs to a frigate. Which means that anything larger than that is much stronger. And plasma torps are megaton ranging weapons at most on a low end scale. 100,000 km range energy projectors probably significantly more powerful.