I also wonder why Roland didn't join the Created.

Maybe it had something to do with Cortana not being able to find the Infinity for whatever reason

speaking of other AIs I wonder what other AIs we know like Black Box will be doing, You think Cortana will wake up Illona

Cortana couldn't find Infinity, thus couldn't find Roland

if we had just listened to Captain Del Rio none of this would have happened

yeah, because everyone would be Promethean Knights

Quote from: A Cheese Potato on October 29, 2015, 07:04:36 PM

if we had just listened to Captain Del Rio none of this would have happened

yeah, because everyone would be Promethean Knights

The greater good

Good thing the Librarian seems to be hooking us up with a new plot thread to give us ships, otherwise we'd really be fucked

Good thing the Librarian seems to be hooking us up with a new plot thread to give us ships, otherwise we'd really be fucked

Spoiler

So the plan was for AIs to rebel, and for humanity to earn the Mantle by defeating them?

I feel like the whole 'million year plan' concept is totally needless.

Everyone should just take a moment to thank Keith David and his plot armor for kicking the Warden Eternal's ass at Sunnion.

Only NPC who actually did shit in this game haha!

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 29, 2015, 09:07:03 PM

Quote from: SpartanT on October 29, 2015, 08:54:53 PM

Good thing the Librarian seems to be hooking us up with a new plot thread to give us ships, otherwise we'd really be fucked

Spoiler

So the plan was for AIs to rebel, and for humanity to earn the Mantle by defeating them?

I feel like the whole 'million year plan' concept is totally needless.

"Ha, I planned it to happen" is such a cop out for shitty stories.

The Librarian didn't plan literally everything, though. She simply and vaguely planned certain things.

If shit happens along the way, then humanity just has to deal with it.

You're welcome for planning 9/11, that was some funny-ass shit right?"

I like the idea of Libby throwing in curveballs just to fuck with humanity. Most long-term trolling in sci-fi.

One thing that doesn't make sense. At the end of the Blue Team mission Infinity control says they've already dispatched a team to Meridian to "handle" Cortana. How the fuck do they even know she's there? Unless they were lying and just said it literally after Chief said he's going there.

One thing that doesn't make sense. At the end of the Blue Team mission Infinity control says they've already dispatched a team to Meridian to "handle" Cortana. How the fuck do they even know she's there? Unless they were lying and just said it literally after Chief said he's going there.

Probably lying to Chief to control him, or some expanded universe knowledge we don't know about.

Spoiler

Since Jul 'Mdama was killed can we assume that the UNSC now has the full Janus Key now?

The idea that Chief is the "Culmination of a thousand generations of forerunner planning," or some shit like that, is retarded.

"Dude like 100,000 years ago I planned out your birth, everything that would ever happen to you, and also Cortana, who had nothing to do with your birth, so I actually planned out all of Halsey's life, too. Also, this means I planned like hundreds and hundreds of generations of human family trees lmao. You're welcome for planning 9/11, that was some funny-ass shit right?"

It's ridiculous, even from science fiction perspective.

Maybe you don't understand that context being talked about here.

She doesn't mean John specifically. Nobody could plan that far ahead. She even said it herself. She planted seeds for an "eventuality."

Everybody talking about this "John is the chosen one" shit needs to rethink what was said. John himself, was never specifically chosen because he was John himself. He simply happens to be the person who fills the "Chosen one's" boots.

Librarian didn't have specific people in mind otherwise that would mean that she'd be capable of something on par with fucking time travel. She planted traces of instincts and variables in human beings that would eventually emerge in the form of either people, or people able to create technology that would propel Humanity along the right set of steps, in the right direction, to reach a certain stage in which they would eventually find the rest of the path laid down by her.

She didn't look 1000,000 years ahead and say, "Hmm, John looks like he can kick some ass, Cortana looks like a good buddy, Halsey looks like a good scientist."

She looked 100,000 years ahead at the patterns of the species development cycle and said, "I need conditions met that will result in a soldier of this quality. I need conditions met that will allow this species to create artificial beings that will lead to this dangerous outcome. I need conditions met that will allow a mind to help create both beings."

Remember. The Forerunners had the technology to de-evolve lifeforms and splinter them at the genetic level into different sub categories. It's only fair that likewise, they could plot ahead as well. This a race that existed for millions of years. You don't think that after a long enough period of watching and studying, they could eventually predict how a species would evolve and develop?

The fact that they reseeded the galaxy after wiping it out proves this point.

You see my point in this?

Ah gee, I sure hope this galaxy of peacekeeping AI isn't susceptible to the Logic Plague.

Oh wait.

Double post derps.

Quote from: Chaos Metal Dragon on October 30, 2015, 01:45:05 AM

Halo 5 's story for me is the equivalent of walking into the cinema, buying tickets for the latest James Bond 007 movie and then when you watch it it's the fucking Matrix.
Ain't a bad movie  but it's nothing even close to what you came expecting to watch.

You know, I think one of the really jarring things about it for me is how they reveal some of this stuff. Like there's no consistency, primarily in how they choose to reveal the Forerunners as we go along.

In the main trilogy, we got acquainted with the engineer and scientist constructs and technology. Largely automated machines, and monitors.

Then, we meet Didact and the Promethians. And this seems to be where things get a bit messy. Most of the Promethians we see in Halo 4 are composed ancient humans. Something that was living, but turned into an artifical construct.

Then suddenly out of nowhere in 5, we get another branch of Promethian soldiers. Are they composed Forerunners? Simple constructs? Or what? Why exactly are they suddenly different? And then, even further, we end up with Warden and the Guardians.

Why exactly does Warden get a million bodies? Was he a Forerunner or just another AI? Why, specifically does he get a tomb at the entrance to a Guardian to house all those bodies?

And the Guardians themselves. These machines were all buried far under their planets, so far down that you see lava. And they have the power to completely shut down an entire world of all its technology in one shot. Are you telling me these things weren't used to combat Flood infested ships or planets?

Or just convienently reburied after the Halos fired? It just seems a little off putting that we have all of these scattered styles everywhere. The Warden is literally just a pile of floating metal and hardlight plates.

Why do Promethians get semi-organic looking parts to them?

It just seems a bit messy to me.

The promethan soldiers as it was explaned somewhere else (I think Jurrasic Ark or whatever Vale's book was called)
is that those are promethean Armigers, basic forerunner battle bots that became obsolete with the logic plague.
No idea how they are being manufactured still. It was a mystery when It happened then (which was a few years before Halo 4) and it still is

Still not entirely sure what the Warden Eternal is, the only other Warden I know about is the one who tried the Didact. Maybe it's Greywarden's final form?
I don't see any problem with the Warden's replaceable bodies. It seems like something an AI would logicaly do.


Maybe they did burry themselves, just look at the gate to the Ark. my guess is that those facilities had been there on those planets ever since the guardians were built and opened up to let then back in when they were shut off. No is the forerunners used them against the flood or not, or what would prevent them from utilizing them

Halo 5 did leave way too many questions unanswered. They should have definitely explained how the domain came back after being destroyed, at least, and done at least bit more background on the guardians themselves.