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[paraphrased from the SDCC panel]

"we looked at the numbers of splitscreen players to decide. It wasn't as minor as 1%, but it wasn't as major as 40%"

So yeah, not a majority. Not even close.



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An if the game wasn't able to hit 60, that would do wonders more for bad press than removal of a feature that isn't vital.


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An if the game wasn't able to hit 60, that would do wonders more for bad press than removal of a feature that isn't vital.

But why did they not reserve 30 fps to split-screen? Its totally possible for a game to have separate frame-rates for separate modes. I think it wasn't a technical decision but either a design or a business one.


 
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An if the game wasn't able to hit 60, that would do wonders more for bad press than removal of a feature that isn't vital.

But why did they not reserve 30 fps to split-screen? Its totally possible for a game to have separate frame-rates for separate modes. I think it wasn't a technical decision but either a design or a business one.

Apparently gameplay mechanics are tied to frames.


 
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Apparently 60 frames is "vital".


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An if the game wasn't able to hit 60, that would do wonders more for bad press than removal of a feature that isn't vital.

But why did they not reserve 30 fps to split-screen? Its totally possible for a game to have separate frame-rates for separate modes. I think it wasn't a technical decision but either a design or a business one.

Apparently gameplay mechanics are tied to frames.

Because tying game mechanics to 60 FPS never leads to any problems...right

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An if the game wasn't able to hit 60, that would do wonders more for bad press than removal of a feature that isn't vital.

But why did they not reserve 30 fps to split-screen? Its totally possible for a game to have separate frame-rates for separate modes. I think it wasn't a technical decision but either a design or a business one.

Apparently gameplay mechanics are tied to frames.

Because tying game mechanics to 60 FPS never leads to any problems...right

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apparently they went Japanese dev levels of retarded and tied game mechanics to frames


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Isn't there just no split-screen co-op?
no splitscreen. period.

makes sense really. the xbone is weak as fuck, they want 60fps with big open areas (which would put a lot of strain on the console if it was splitscreen)and lots of things happening. there's no way that was gonna happen with splitscreen.
So the franchise that made splitscreen popular isn't going to have splitscreen at all? Are you supposed to buy two Xbox Ones to play co op?
unless they scale the game back in multiple ways (which they shouldn't), no, it's not
"scale the game back"

Uh. This is Halo. It's nothing without splitscreen. You might as well remove Matchmaking while you're at it.
hampering a game to cater to a very small minority isn't a logical thing to do

why do you care anyway? it's not like you have irl friends :^)
Keep believing their bullshit. They can pull it off on Halo 3 on an older console and still make it look great but they have trouble doing it on a new console?

It's not a minority. Halo is THE splitscreen game.
it's not bullshit though

the xbone is an underpoweredpiece of shit. the campaign will have large open areas, with lots of stuff happening, at 60fps.
the game has already taken a hit graphically and in resolution because of this.

your comparison with halo 3 isn't valid either. it's a significantly less demanding game than h5 is, running at below 30fps and at 640p. it wasn't even that great looking either in comparison to halo 5 relative to the time it was released.

but sure, it's total bullshit. definitely no technical reasoning behind any of it, and you obviously know what you're talkingabout (you don't, btw).

and yeah, splitscreen is a minority in comparison to the amount of people who play over xbl. times have changed, challenger.
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and yeah, splitscreen is a minority in comparison to the amount of people who play over xbl. times have changed, challenger.
did you support the xbone's previous caveat of always having to be online, too?

times are changing, after all
the majority of gamers have an internet connection

anyone who doesn't already have an internet connection--you should just get with the times
Last Edit: August 09, 2015, 06:07:27 PM by Verbatim


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and yeah, splitscreen is a minority in comparison to the amount of people who play over xbl. times have changed, challenger.
did you support the xbone's previous caveat of always having to be online, too?

times are changing, after all

anyone who doesn't already have an internet connection--you should just get with the times
no, of course i didn't


 
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then you probably shouldn't appeal to the majority here

there's really no excuse not to have splitscreen

"shitty tech" isn't an excuse--there's no reason that the latest xbox shouldn't be the most powerful and capable of them all
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there's really no excuse not to have splitscreen
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the xbone is an underpoweredpiece of shit. the campaign will have large open areas, with lots of stuff happening, at 60fps.
the game has already taken a hit graphically and in resolution because of this.
"shitty tech" isn't an excuse--there's no reason that the latest xbox shouldn't be the most powerful and capable of them all
it absolutely is an excuse. the xbone is an underpowered piece of shit. 343 can't change this, nor is it their fault. they have to work with what they're given.
if something has to go so they can achieve their vision, then unfortunately it has to go.
if microsoft hadn't used a shitty netbook cpu, and a gpu equivalent that was already outdated before 2013, then splitscreen would still be in halo 5.
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their fault for deciding to make it that way

>60 fps
>muh smooth movements

how much utility does that really have over getting to play games with your friends locally on one television
literally none


 
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fuck you
Halo is THE splitscreen game.


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their fault for deciding to make it that way
well yeah, it is microsoft's fault

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>60 fps
>muh smooth movements

how much utility does that really have over getting to play games with your friends locally on one television
literally none
a game that plays better

they shouldn't have to gimp their game more than it is to cater to a very small group of people


 
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i'd wager that the number of people who genuinely give a fuck about whether the game runs at 60fps is infinitesimally smaller than the number of people who would utilize splitscreen

the other stuff you mentioned is eh

maybe having vast environments and "lots of stuff happening" really does take a toll on the xbone's processing even when disregarding the number of frames, but that's pretty pathetic if that's the case
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Considering that frame rate boosts how well the player is able to react to certain events, no, it is a major factor. And it's crucial in games when there is a lot happening, like Halo 5 is doing with it's bigger segments and massive (for a Halo game) worldspaces.

And, plus, 60fps is the standard for AAA games. If you can't achieve it, it makes the studio look bad. And many people find <60 to be unplayable, whereas not having splitscreen means you can't play with friends in real life. The comparison to XB1's original policies is worthless, as that actively stopped people playing the games for reasons not in their control; not many people won't be able to play because they can't play at te same time.

60 is the standard, and rightly so. It's intrinsically tied to how the player plays the game. It's not a question of muh pwetty gwafiks, it's a question of the flow of the game, an it's something you don't miss until it's gone. I went back to play some Reach campaign the other day and I eventually had to quit because the refresh rate was unbearable and made the game unenjoyable to play.

If you really want to know more, go watch, like, any TotalBiscuit video, because he pretty much destroys any argument against having 60.


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maybe having vast environments and "lots of stuff happening" really does take a toll on the xbone's processing even when disregarding the number of frames, but that's pretty pathetic if that's the case
it'd still undoubtedly strain the xbone even if it was 30fps, and had splitscreen.
if you were playing with a friend, but one of you was pissing about and was running away from your friend across the map, it'd mean the xbone would need to stream and render so much more, because splitscreen is essentially the game being run twice, which is why stuff like framerate, textures, level of detail, draw distance and performance take a hit when playing splitscreen.

the "new" consoles are pitifully weak.


 
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If you really want to know more, go watch, like, any TotalBiscuit video, because he pretty much destroys any argument against having 60.
does he refute the "i don't care" argument

because i really really just don't care--and i doubt there's anything that could make me care


 
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fuck you
I just want to play some fucking Halo 5 man


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Isn't there just no split-screen co-op?
no splitscreen. period.

makes sense really. the xbone is weak as fuck, they want 60fps with big open areas (which would put a lot of strain on the console if it was splitscreen)and lots of things happening. there's no way that was gonna happen with splitscreen.
So the franchise that made splitscreen popular isn't going to have splitscreen at all? Are you supposed to buy two Xbox Ones to play co op?
unless they scale the game back in multiple ways (which they shouldn't), no, it's not
"scale the game back"

Uh. This is Halo. It's nothing without splitscreen. You might as well remove Matchmaking while you're at it.
hampering a game to cater to a very small minority isn't a logical thing to do

why do you care anyway? it's not like you have irl friends :^)
Keep believing their bullshit. They can pull it off on Halo 3 on an older console and still make it look great but they have trouble doing it on a new console?

It's not a minority. Halo is THE splitscreen game.
it's not bullshit though

the xbone is an underpoweredpiece of shit. the campaign will have large open areas, with lots of stuff happening, at 60fps.
the game has already taken a hit graphically and in resolution because of this.

your comparison with halo 3 isn't valid either. it's a significantly less demanding game than h5 is, running at below 30fps and at 640p. it wasn't even that great looking either in comparison to halo 5 relative to the time it was released.

but sure, it's total bullshit. definitely no technical reasoning behind any of it, and you obviously know what you're talkingabout (you don't, btw).

and yeah, splitscreen is a minority in comparison to the amount of people who play over xbl. times have changed, challenger.
Suck my dick Lemon. They can scale down the graphics. It can look like Minecraft as long as it's fun and there's splitscreen in the game that made splitscreen what it is.
because that'd sit well with everyone, wouldn't it?
Spoiler
hint: it wouldn't, at all. it'd hurt the game more than anything
the graphics have already taken a hit to achieve what we've got.
video games are a business, challenger, not a personal catering industry.

am i happy that it's gone? no t really, but i understand why it's gone.


 
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because that'd sit well with everyone, wouldn't it?
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hint: it wouldn't, at all. it'd hurt the game more than anything
the graphics have already taken a hit to achieve what we've got.
video games are a business, challenger, not a personal catering industry.

am i happy that it's gone? no t really, but i understand why it's gone.
Except splitscreen is a trademark of Halo. Far more than 60fps is. Nobody fucking cares about MUH ULTRA HD ALIEN HUNTING.
They do though.

Why do you think games that release these days that don't look the best by todays standards get shit on? It's because that's all a lot of people care about.
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But seriously, the console fanbase needs to accept that the PS4 and Xbox One are under powered so that MS and Sony can prioritize good gameplay over good visuals. I mean MS and Sony are just as guilty when it comes to pushing this stuff, but if the fanbase didn't eat it all up and demanded that they prioritize the opposite they'd follow the money.

You should be buying a console for its games and social features, not it's power.


 
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