Quote from: Bacon on December 04, 2015, 12:31:42 PM

Or, 343 could have released a finished product in the first place with a substantial amount of content in it, rather than rushing it for muh Q4 release and then re-adding removed features (that should be standard) under the guise of free updates.

Or, we can realize this content model was planned from the beginning and wasn't done to reach a Q4 release.

Quote from: Bacon on December 04, 2015, 01:18:28 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 01:04:24 PM

Quote from: Bacon on December 04, 2015, 12:49:29 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 12:45:54 PM

Quote from: Winy on December 04, 2015, 12:43:25 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 12:39:37 PM

Or, we can realize this content model was planned from the beginning and wasn't done to reach a Q4 release.

Scenario 1: What you're saying is false:

Then 343 rushed the game.

Scenario 2: What you're saying is true.

Then they are fucking idiots.

Yes, because in the real world there are only two possible scenarios and if people don't cater to your every need, they are idiots.

You're not seriously suggesting they thought releasing a game with less content than destiny at launch was a 10/10 idea?

When I buy a game, I expect a completed product at launch. Not six months later.

Maybe you should've done research into the game before you bought it then? Not my fault or concern you're assmad.

I guess it's my own fault for assuming 21 multiplayer maps means 21 individual maps. Or for thinking the game would have some incentive to play other than grinding for scout warthogs.

Well, yeah.

After Halo 4, everyone seemed to vow to never again buy into Halo blindly.

Well, here we are at Halo 5, and look what's happened.

Quote from: Azumarill on December 04, 2015, 06:55:46 PM

i think ive noticed a pattern when it comes to h5. the competitive players love it, but the casuals tend to hate it.

It's not as simple as that. 

Casual and competitive players alike are pissed at the lack of content in the game, specifically maps and gametypes. That being said, the fact that almost everything is ranked does cater to the competitive scene more than any previous Halo game. More social players (Such as myself, because I stopped playing Halo competitively years ago) are pissed because literally everybody is trying their hardest in matches, and we don't want that. We want to dick around and have fun. There aren't any playlists except Warzone (Which has three maps) to exercise that desire.

Quote from: Winy on December 04, 2015, 07:50:31 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on December 04, 2015, 06:55:46 PM

i think ive noticed a pattern when it comes to h5. the competitive players love it, but the casuals tend to hate it.

It's not as simple as that. 

Casual and competitive players alike are pissed at the lack of content in the game, specifically maps and gametypes. That being said, the fact that almost everything is ranked does cater to the competitive scene more than any previous Halo game. More social players (Such as myself, because I stopped playing Halo competitively years ago) are pissed because literally everybody is trying their hardest in matches, and we don't want that. We want to dick around and have fun. There aren't any playlists except Warzone (Which has three maps) to exercise that desire.

you're not telling me anything i dont already know.

Bravo is always on /r/Halo, and he assures people that literally everything on that subreddit is read thoroughly, and they know what people are saying. I don't doubt that, because Bravo's a really good community manager, but I doubt 343 higher-ups actually listen to what he tells them.

"Okay Bravo, what's the feedback on the game?"

"Well, everyone says the core gameplay is really good. But they're disappointed with the lack of customs game options, gamemodes, map variety, and social playlists."

"Mmmm, okay. But we know better than them, so let's just keep doing what we're doing. We are the game designers, after all!"

"B-But the community says-"

"FUCK THE COMMUNITY. THE PEOPLE WANT REMIXES AND BREAKOUT."

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 01:20:52 PM

Quote from: Bacon on December 04, 2015, 01:18:28 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 01:04:24 PM

Quote from: Bacon on December 04, 2015, 12:49:29 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 12:45:54 PM

Quote from: Winy on December 04, 2015, 12:43:25 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 12:39:37 PM

Or, we can realize this content model was planned from the beginning and wasn't done to reach a Q4 release.

Scenario 1: What you're saying is false:

Then 343 rushed the game.

Scenario 2: What you're saying is true.

Then they are fucking idiots.

Yes, because in the real world there are only two possible scenarios and if people don't cater to your every need, they are idiots.

You're not seriously suggesting they thought releasing a game with less content than destiny at launch was a 10/10 idea?

When I buy a game, I expect a completed product at launch. Not six months later.

Maybe you should've done research into the game before you bought it then? Not my fault or concern you're assmad.

I guess it's my own fault for assuming 21 multiplayer maps means 21 individual maps. Or for thinking the game would have some incentive to play other than grinding for scout warthogs.

Well, yeah.

After Halo 4, everyone seemed to vow to never again buy into Halo blindly.

Well, here we are at Halo 5, and look what's happened.

Is this when I can finally say I told you so?

Bravo is always on /r/Halo, and he assures people that literally everything on that subreddit is read thoroughly, and they know what people are saying. I don't doubt that, because Bravo's a really good community manager, but I doubt 343 higher-ups actually listen to what he tells them.

"Okay Bravo, what's the feedback on the game?"

"Well, everyone says the core gameplay is really good. But they're disappointed with the lack of customs game options, gamemodes, map variety, and social playlists."

"Mmmm, okay. But we know better than them, so let's just keep doing what we're doing. We are the game designers, after all!"

"B-But the community says-"

"FUCK THE COMMUNITY. THE PEOPLE WANT REMIXES AND BREAKOUT."

Quote from: Essessen on December 04, 2015, 05:20:32 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 01:20:52 PM

Quote from: Bacon on December 04, 2015, 01:18:28 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 01:04:24 PM

Quote from: Bacon on December 04, 2015, 12:49:29 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 12:45:54 PM

Quote from: Winy on December 04, 2015, 12:43:25 PM

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on December 04, 2015, 12:39:37 PM

Or, we can realize this content model was planned from the beginning and wasn't done to reach a Q4 release.

Scenario 1: What you're saying is false:

Then 343 rushed the game.

Scenario 2: What you're saying is true.

Then they are fucking idiots.

Yes, because in the real world there are only two possible scenarios and if people don't cater to your every need, they are idiots.

You're not seriously suggesting they thought releasing a game with less content than destiny at launch was a 10/10 idea?

When I buy a game, I expect a completed product at launch. Not six months later.

Maybe you should've done research into the game before you bought it then? Not my fault or concern you're assmad.

I guess it's my own fault for assuming 21 multiplayer maps means 21 individual maps. Or for thinking the game would have some incentive to play other than grinding for scout warthogs.

Well, yeah.

After Halo 4, everyone seemed to vow to never again buy into Halo blindly.

Well, here we are at Halo 5, and look what's happened.

Is this when I can finally say I told you so?

About what? I literally told people to not hype themselves up about Halo 5 before the game came out.

Quote from: Winy on December 04, 2015, 12:14:02 PM

Bravo is always on /r/Halo, and he assures people that literally everything on that subreddit is read thoroughly, and they know what people are saying. I don't doubt that, because Bravo's a really good community manager, but I doubt 343 higher-ups actually listen to what he tells them.

"Okay Bravo, what's the feedback on the game?"

"Well, everyone says the core gameplay is really good. But they're disappointed with the lack of customs game options, gamemodes, map variety, and social playlists."

"Mmmm, okay. But we know better than them, so let's just keep doing what we're doing. We are the game designers, after all!"

"B-But the community says-"

"FUCK THE COMMUNITY. THE PEOPLE WANT REMIXES AND BREAKOUT."

its worth noting that the vast majority of the people on that subreddit are mouthbreathing retards. its actually painful to read through most of the popular threads there.

Quote from: Winy on December 04, 2015, 11:48:58 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on December 04, 2015, 08:31:07 PM

Quote from: Winy on December 04, 2015, 12:14:02 PM

Bravo is always on /r/Halo, and he assures people that literally everything on that subreddit is read thoroughly, and they know what people are saying. I don't doubt that, because Bravo's a really good community manager, but I doubt 343 higher-ups actually listen to what he tells them.

"Okay Bravo, what's the feedback on the game?"

"Well, everyone says the core gameplay is really good. But they're disappointed with the lack of customs game options, gamemodes, map variety, and social playlists."

"Mmmm, okay. But we know better than them, so let's just keep doing what we're doing. We are the game designers, after all!"

"B-But the community says-"

"FUCK THE COMMUNITY. THE PEOPLE WANT REMIXES AND BREAKOUT."

its worth noting that the vast majority of the people on that subreddit are mouthbreathing retards. its actually painful to read through most of the popular threads there.

I mean, I generally agree with many of the complaints that people post there, so I guess I'm a "Mouthbreathing retard," right?

complaints about lack of content is fine. im more talking about their general understanding of the game itself, maps, gametypes, weapon balance, etc. ive been watching various halo forums for the better part of a decade and most of them suffer from this issue, having a lot of people who really... arent good, and dont really understand how the games work. and they tend to circlejerk with each other a lot. makes sense when you think about the game's skill cap. vast majority of the halo multiplayer community is SHIT at the game- as is the case with most multiplayer  games. they just dont get it ofttimes.

and yknow, maybe you are a mouthbreathing retard. do you think invasion was a good, balanced, competitive gametype? how about the class based systems that reach and h4 implemented, were they OK or did they create fundamental imbalances? that BRs ruined the previous games? those are the sorts of things im talking about.