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It irrates me 343 can make H2A multiplayer perfect then want to make Halo 5 how it is.

AKA You want 343i to make a Halo 2 clone.

Halo 2 Anniversary MP is literally a Halo 2 clone minus the glitches.

This goddamn community is ridiculous. Halo 5's a fucking Arena game that expands upon Halo's MP, but suddenly that's too far (farther than Halo 4 apparently...), especially with the game being over a year out from launch.

Nope, I just don't blindly accept any change as holy and wonderful.
H2A added interactive pieces on the maps and I'm not bothered.  It was a good change.  Sprint, ADS like every other game now a days has (inb4 it's the same zoom but different), 1 hit kill ground pound, etc just aren't good.

But you do blindly adhere to what is tried and true, stagnating progress.

Additionally, you also imply that I am treating the new Halo 5 abilities as holy. Instead, I do not mind them, and think they can work well. However, I do agree with a lot of criticism regarding ground pound.

Also, if you are complaining about an aesthetic animation that has absolutely no effect on gameplay, I pity your lack of judgmental depth.

Well because it worked.  You don't see chess or football radically changing every year to keep people interested.  They all have there niches, which Halo had till it started losing its identity.  Clamber removes trick jumps (something popular with Halo), had a unique zoom but now it has the generic aim down sight, ground pound is a one hit kill, and medals for literally everything.  It is better than Halo 4 though.

The context of a physical sport is a lot different than a video game. Especially since the video game industry has thousands of different games released every year, whereas athletic sports have remained static for quite a long time.

As for chess, chess has remain unchanged for so long because it is hundreds of years old, and there is no official authority that can dictate or modify the game.

Interestingly enough, if we look at Chess' popularity, yes it is well known and widely recognized, but it is not something that you see everyone playing, on TV, or in widely recognized events anymore. A comparable analog in the video game industry would be Pong. It is highly recognized among gamers and has remain unchanged, yet few people even play it, let alone own a copy.

In a sense, the clamber mechanic does remove trick jumps. But that's assuming that the maps are being built in classic Halo fashion. They are not. So now, the trick jumps become how to get closest to a far away ledge in order to clamber up.

LOL Thousands of games a year? Athletic sports have remained static because it encourages competition and mastering the sport. If it were to change every year, the pros of yesterday would have to learn all over again. It wouldn't be competitive, the rules would start to get stupider every time simply in the name of "progress and change" while getting rid of the thrill the sport originally gave you every time you played.

Same with Chess (which is thousands of years old). It has barely changed over thousands of years. It's still an incredibly popular game and people still play it to this day, and there are huge championships and events all over the world. How long do you think Chess would have survived had it been changed every year? It probably wouldn't even be called Chess today, or people would've gotten bored of its ridiculous and unnecessary changes and the original version which people had loved would've been lost to time.

You people have been brainwashed by these corporate executives ruining our games and chanting "innovation" every chance they get. Change is NOT good if it makes the game less competitive, less fun, too easy, and requiring less effort and ruining the whole subculture it created. It meant something back in the day to be really good at Halo. Whether it was SLASO (Mythic Campaign) or playing extremely well in Matchmaking, it meant you were skilled. Just like if somebody says they're great at Chess means more than somebody saying they're great at Connect Four. People would watch MLG tournaments of Halo because it was incredible to see these really skilled players duke it out.

Now that's all gone. In the name of "innovation" but really in the name of making it more accessible to shitty players and rewarding shitty players so they can make a few more bucks. Lowering the quality of games across the board and making video games time killers instead of something comparable to Chess. You wanna sit there and defend the people ruining one of the greatest games ever made which to this day has yet to bore me because "innovation"? Go ahead. But don't you dare call yourself a Halo fan.

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and kept the game competitive

What exactly makes you believe Halo 5 won't be competitive?

From all the gimmicky shit I've seen in the gameplay videos.

It's Halo 4.5.

]Sprint kills Halo. It has no place.

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It irrates me 343 can make H2A multiplayer perfect then want to make Halo 5 how it is.

AKA You want 343i to make a Halo 2 clone.

Halo 2 Anniversary MP is literally a Halo 2 clone minus the glitches.

This goddamn community is ridiculous. Halo 5's a fucking Arena game that expands upon Halo's MP, but suddenly that's too far (farther than Halo 4 apparently...), especially with the game being over a year out from launch.

Nope, I just don't blindly accept any change as holy and wonderful.
H2A added interactive pieces on the maps and I'm not bothered.  It was a good change.  Sprint, ADS like every other game now a days has (inb4 it's the same zoom but different), 1 hit kill ground pound, etc just aren't good.

But you do blindly adhere to what is tried and true, stagnating progress.

Additionally, you also imply that I am treating the new Halo 5 abilities as holy. Instead, I do not mind them, and think they can work well. However, I do agree with a lot of criticism regarding ground pound.

Also, if you are complaining about an aesthetic animation that has absolutely no effect on gameplay, I pity your lack of judgmental depth.

Well because it worked.  You don't see chess or football radically changing every year to keep people interested.  They all have there niches, which Halo had till it started losing its identity.  Clamber removes trick jumps (something popular with Halo), had a unique zoom but now it has the generic aim down sight, ground pound is a one hit kill, and medals for literally everything.  It is better than Halo 4 though.

The context of a physical sport is a lot different than a video game. Especially since the video game industry has thousands of different games released every year, whereas athletic sports have remained static for quite a long time.

As for chess, chess has remain unchanged for so long because it is hundreds of years old, and there is no official authority that can dictate or modify the game.

Interestingly enough, if we look at Chess' popularity, yes it is well known and widely recognized, but it is not something that you see everyone playing, on TV, or in widely recognized events anymore. A comparable analog in the video game industry would be Pong. It is highly recognized among gamers and has remain unchanged, yet few people even play it, let alone own a copy.

In a sense, the clamber mechanic does remove trick jumps. But that's assuming that the maps are being built in classic Halo fashion. They are not. So now, the trick jumps become how to get closest to a far away ledge in order to clamber up.

LOL Thousands of games a year? Athletic sports have remained static because it encourages competition and mastering the sport. If it were to change every year, the pros of yesterday would have to learn all over again. It wouldn't be competitive, the rules would start to get stupider every time simply in the name of "progress and change" while getting rid of the thrill the sport originally gave you every time you played.

Same with Chess (which is thousands of years old). It has barely changed over thousands of years. It's still an incredibly popular game and people still play it to this day, and there are huge championships and events all over the world. How long do you think Chess would have survived had it been changed every year? It probably wouldn't even be called Chess today, or people would've gotten bored of its ridiculous and unnecessary changes and the original version which people had loved would've been lost to time.

You people have been brainwashed by these corporate executives ruining our games and chanting "innovation" every chance they get. Change is NOT good if it makes the game less competitive, less fun, too easy, and requiring less effort and ruining the whole subculture it created. It meant something back in the day to be really good at Halo. Whether it was SLASO (Mythic Campaign) or playing extremely well in Matchmaking, it meant you were skilled. Just like if somebody says they're great at Chess means more than somebody saying they're great at Connect Four. People would watch MLG tournaments of Halo because it was incredible to see these really skilled players duke it out.

Now that's all gone. In the name of "innovation" but really in the name of making it more accessible to shitty players and rewarding shitty players so they can make a few more bucks. Lowering the quality of games across the board and making video games time killers instead of something comparable to Chess. You wanna sit there and defend the people ruining one of the greatest games ever made which to this day has yet to bore me because "innovation"? Go ahead. But don't you dare call yourself a Halo fan.

I'm just going out on a limb here. Because all of you seem to be forgetting something here.

343 made a collective bundle with all the great Halo games and their respective MPs, all in one hub based game. Why?

Because the community is fractured. There's no uniting it. But what 343 can do, is give everybody what they want. The Halo 3 fans, get Halo 3 back. The Halo 2 fans, get their multiplayer back. The CE fans get their multiplayer back.

Most of all, there's a dilemma. How does 343 make a new Halo game, and include multiplayer into it in this day and age? Because how can they when they have CE, 2, 3, and even 4 to compete with? How do they release a new game practically yearly with mp in it without it seeming like it's merely map DLC for the last game?

Here's the simple answer.

They change, because they have to. But they're not doing it and leaving everybody behind. Because they made a hub based Halo were fans can play what they want, as they wish. That's what's beautiful about it!

Choice. You have the choice to play Halo 5's MP. If you don't like it, you can fall back on your favorite Halo because that's now an option.

If you want to start slinging the word "fan" around, then you can't call yourself a fan if you're not satisfied with what you already have. All the maps you ever loved playing on, forge to make more and tweak things, custom games and the communities endless enginuity and passion.

How could you want another Halo 2 in terms of MP when you already have Halo 2, sitting right fucking there, saying "play me?"

The point is, we're at an impass. A new Halo game, using old mechanics and merely graphical updates, a few new weapons, and new maps, would be over glorified DLC and 343 would get ripped apart for it.

So instead, they revived what the fans loved, gave them a hub for all of it in one shot, and now have the space to work and try new things because they can, and they should. And the fans have the option of picking, and choosing, to play what they love.

No other developer has ever done this before.

If you want to call yourself a fan, let them have their room to explore and expand, and respect those choices. Doing new things isn't easy, especially around a community as volatile and vehement as Halo's. But they, at the very least, didn't forget what the fans loved. And they gave them the option of choice to play what they love.

If you don't want to see that, well then fuck, what can I say?

You're a sack of old sacks.

They don't "have to" do anything. They especially don't have to release Halo every year. If it was up to me, Halo would've stopped at Halo 3 to be remembered as an excellent trilogy.

"If you don't like Halo 5, go fuck yourself and play Halo 2 or Halo 3. Criticizing isn't allowed." LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

When did I say I'm unhappy about the MCC? Ever?

No it wouldn't. There's plenty of things they can do Campaign wise, and other things for 343 to improve instead of butchering the multiplayer. Because at the end of the day, they aren't being creative. They just add gimmicky shit so they can sell it to the casual crowd easier. That's what's disgusting. They can keep the core gameay the same. And if people get bored, then maybe it's time to stop milking the cow and let Halo go out gracefully? Because their "innovation" has left Halo 4 with a grand total of 10,000 players playing it. There are 10,000 people playing Halo 3 on the 360 right now.

I'm a real fan. I'm tired of seeing my favorite franchise milked dry and being considered a shitty game. You can get in here and defend Lord of Admirals because he's your friend and be passive aggressive all you want, but you're completely misunderstanding my post. The MCC could be done by anybody. It's just making the games HD and not messing with the gameplay. Halo 5 is a joke so far. The gimmicky shit they've added if not removed after or during the beta will result in it barely having a population higher than 20,000 after a year.

If they actually got creative and kept the game competitive while  it ruining the game, I'd be all over Halo 5. As it stands, they're milking it to death and destroying one if the greatest franchises ever, while people like you applaud them for it.

If they release a new game, keep the old mechanics, it's milking. If they throw in gimmicky shit like you say, it's milking. It's a lose lose scenario. But I am aware that as things stand, this isn't a train any of us can stop. I'm not the one pulling the strings, and neither are you. And being honest here, I looked at the Halo 5 MP clips, and I have no interest. None whatsoever.

I haven't even bought the MCC. Barring money aside, I don't even know if I would in the first place. Know why? Because things change. Whether we like it or not, things will change, and they always do. Nothing ever stands still.

So, here's my point. Say 343 says fuck it, and they don't put out anymore Halo's. They leave it to bask in the sun on the beach amongst the empire it built. What happens then? The community has their fun in the twilight.

But then 343 runs out of money. Boom. Servers are all pulled and shut down. Halo is dead. 343 closes up shop, disbands or whatever. And then somebody else picks up Halo. Because M$ have a thing for necrophilia.

These are the facts. Halo is too big for M$ to let it go. No matter what move 343 makes, or any company makes, it's the losing one to the fanbase.

So you know what you do? Take your fond memories, and hang on to them. Because they are yours. Unless you're the one pulling the strings, there isn't anything you can do but watch. Same as me. I don't agree with all the choices being made.

I'm jaded, half and half on all the things 343 does. They do something good with potential, then oops, they slip up. But, like I said, change happens. Just like friends you grew apart from over the years until finally you separated completely. So too is this happening to Halo.

But, just because those friends of yours are no longer your friends, doesn't mean they gave you fond memories. So hang on to those. And try to make the best of things in the days ahead. Because that's all there is to do.

343 is still a company. In order to survive, they need money. So they'll make Halo's. M$ won't ever let Halo hit the coffin. As fans, we're fucked four ways from Sunday. We've been fucked since Reach.

All we can do now, is cherish what we had, remember the days when things were better, and try to make something of what we currently have.

Like I said, if they did it right, I'd be all for it. And I'm glad the MCC was made.

But otherwise, Microsoft needs to let Halo go.

You're asking me to prove something that is objectively true

which all pro players agree with?

And then half your rebuttals are basically "lolno it isn't"

and I'm supposed to take you seriously?

Sprint ruins the pace of gameplay

and forces ordinary movement to be in obnoxiously slow.

Shooting skill is pretty much all that matters.

The fact that you think it isn't one of the most important aspects of a shooter is laughable.

I mean what the hell are you even saying?

It's not anywhere near as hard as you make it out to be

and I saw the slam down thing happen way too often to be comfortable with it.

You can argue all you like, but the videos are there to see.

Thrusters are not going to increase the skill gap.

It's a gimmicky thing to melee kill or run away with combined with sprint.

When you can get out of a situation that quickly, people tend to play a lot dumber, rely on teamwork less, and turn the game into a casual free for all with no skill required.

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It irrates me 343 can make H2A multiplayer perfect then want to make Halo 5 how it is.

AKA You want 343i to make a Halo 2 clone.

Halo 2 Anniversary MP is literally a Halo 2 clone minus the glitches.

This goddamn community is ridiculous. Halo 5's a fucking Arena game that expands upon Halo's MP, but suddenly that's too far (farther than Halo 4 apparently...), especially with the game being over a year out from launch.

Nope, I just don't blindly accept any change as holy and wonderful.
H2A added interactive pieces on the maps and I'm not bothered.  It was a good change.  Sprint, ADS like every other game now a days has (inb4 it's the same zoom but different), 1 hit kill ground pound, etc just aren't good.

But you do blindly adhere to what is tried and true, stagnating progress.

Additionally, you also imply that I am treating the new Halo 5 abilities as holy. Instead, I do not mind them, and think they can work well. However, I do agree with a lot of criticism regarding ground pound.

Also, if you are complaining about an aesthetic animation that has absolutely no effect on gameplay, I pity your lack of judgmental depth.

Well because it worked.  You don't see chess or football radically changing every year to keep people interested.  They all have there niches, which Halo had till it started losing its identity.  Clamber removes trick jumps (something popular with Halo), had a unique zoom but now it has the generic aim down sight, ground pound is a one hit kill, and medals for literally everything.  It is better than Halo 4 though.

The context of a physical sport is a lot different than a video game. Especially since the video game industry has thousands of different games released every year, whereas athletic sports have remained static for quite a long time.

As for chess, chess has remain unchanged for so long because it is hundreds of years old, and there is no official authority that can dictate or modify the game.

Interestingly enough, if we look at Chess' popularity, yes it is well known and widely recognized, but it is not something that you see everyone playing, on TV, or in widely recognized events anymore. A comparable analog in the video game industry would be Pong. It is highly recognized among gamers and has remain unchanged, yet few people even play it, let alone own a copy.

In a sense, the clamber mechanic does remove trick jumps. But that's assuming that the maps are being built in classic Halo fashion. They are not. So now, the trick jumps become how to get closest to a far away ledge in order to clamber up.

LOL Thousands of games a year? Athletic sports have remained static because it encourages competition and mastering the sport. If it were to change every year, the pros of yesterday would have to learn all over again. It wouldn't be competitive, the rules would start to get stupider every time simply in the name of "progress and change" while getting rid of the thrill the sport originally gave you every time you played.

Same with Chess (which is thousands of years old). It has barely changed over thousands of years. It's still an incredibly popular game and people still play it to this day, and there are huge championships and events all over the world. How long do you think Chess would have survived had it been changed every year? It probably wouldn't even be called Chess today, or people would've gotten bored of its ridiculous and unnecessary changes and the original version which people had loved would've been lost to time.

You people have been brainwashed by these corporate executives ruining our games and chanting "innovation" every chance they get. Change is NOT good if it makes the game less competitive, less fun, too easy, and requiring less effort and ruining the whole subculture it created. It meant something back in the day to be really good at Halo. Whether it was SLASO (Mythic Campaign) or playing extremely well in Matchmaking, it meant you were skilled. Just like if somebody says they're great at Chess means more than somebody saying they're great at Connect Four. People would watch MLG tournaments of Halo because it was incredible to see these really skilled players duke it out.

Now that's all gone. In the name of "innovation" but really in the name of making it more accessible to shitty players and rewarding shitty players so they can make a few more bucks. Lowering the quality of games across the board and making video games time killers instead of something comparable to Chess. You wanna sit there and defend the people ruining one of the greatest games ever made which to this day has yet to bore me because "innovation"? Go ahead. But don't you dare call yourself a Halo fan.

I'm just going out on a limb here. Because all of you seem to be forgetting something here.

343 made a collective bundle with all the great Halo games and their respective MPs, all in one hub based game. Why?

Because the community is fractured. There's no uniting it. But what 343 can do, is give everybody what they want. The Halo 3 fans, get Halo 3 back. The Halo 2 fans, get their multiplayer back. The CE fans get their multiplayer back.

Most of all, there's a dilemma. How does 343 make a new Halo game, and include multiplayer into it in this day and age? Because how can they when they have CE, 2, 3, and even 4 to compete with? How do they release a new game practically yearly with mp in it without it seeming like it's merely map DLC for the last game?

Here's the simple answer.

They change, because they have to. But they're not doing it and leaving everybody behind. Because they made a hub based Halo were fans can play what they want, as they wish. That's what's beautiful about it!

Choice. You have the choice to play Halo 5's MP. If you don't like it, you can fall back on your favorite Halo because that's now an option.

If you want to start slinging the word "fan" around, then you can't call yourself a fan if you're not satisfied with what you already have. All the maps you ever loved playing on, forge to make more and tweak things, custom games and the communities endless enginuity and passion.

How could you want another Halo 2 in terms of MP when you already have Halo 2, sitting right fucking there, saying "play me?"

The point is, we're at an impass. A new Halo game, using old mechanics and merely graphical updates, a few new weapons, and new maps, would be over glorified DLC and 343 would get ripped apart for it.

So instead, they revived what the fans loved, gave them a hub for all of it in one shot, and now have the space to work and try new things because they can, and they should. And the fans have the option of picking, and choosing, to play what they love.

No other developer has ever done this before.

If you want to call yourself a fan, let them have their room to explore and expand, and respect those choices. Doing new things isn't easy, especially around a community as volatile and vehement as Halo's. But they, at the very least, didn't forget what the fans loved. And they gave them the option of choice to play what they love.

If you don't want to see that, well then fuck, what can I say?

You're a sack of old sacks.

They don't "have to" do anything. They especially don't have to release Halo every year. If it was up to me, Halo would've stopped at Halo 3 to be remembered as an excellent trilogy.

"If you don't like Halo 5, go fuck yourself and play Halo 2 or Halo 3. Criticizing isn't allowed." LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

When did I say I'm unhappy about the MCC? Ever?

No it wouldn't. There's plenty of things they can do Campaign wise, and other things for 343 to improve instead of butchering the multiplayer. Because at the end of the day, they aren't being creative. They just add gimmicky shit so they can sell it to the casual crowd easier. That's what's disgusting. They can keep the core gameay the same. And if people get bored, then maybe it's time to stop milking the cow and let Halo go out gracefully? Because their "innovation" has left Halo 4 with a grand total of 10,000 players playing it. There are 10,000 people playing Halo 3 on the 360 right now.

I'm a real fan. I'm tired of seeing my favorite franchise milked dry and being considered a shitty game. You can get in here and defend Lord of Admirals because he's your friend and be passive aggressive all you want, but you're completely misunderstanding my post. The MCC could be done by anybody. It's just making the games HD and not messing with the gameplay. Halo 5 is a joke so far. The gimmicky shit they've added if not removed after or during the beta will result in it barely having a population higher than 20,000 after a year.

If they actually got creative and kept the game competitive while  it ruining the game, I'd be all over Halo 5. As it stands, they're milking it to death and destroying one if the greatest franchises ever, while people like you applaud them for it.

If they release a new game, keep the old mechanics, it's milking. If they throw in gimmicky shit like you say, it's milking. It's a lose lose scenario. But I am aware that as things stand, this isn't a train any of us can stop. I'm not the one pulling the strings, and neither are you. And being honest here, I looked at the Halo 5 MP clips, and I have no interest. None whatsoever.

I haven't even bought the MCC. Barring money aside, I don't even know if I would in the first place. Know why? Because things change. Whether we like it or not, things will change, and they always do. Nothing ever stands still.

So, here's my point. Say 343 says fuck it, and they don't put out anymore Halo's. They leave it to bask in the sun on the beach amongst the empire it built. What happens then? The community has their fun in the twilight.

But then 343 runs out of money. Boom. Servers are all pulled and shut down. Halo is dead. 343 closes up shop, disbands or whatever. And then somebody else picks up Halo. Because M$ have a thing for necrophilia.

These are the facts. Halo is too big for M$ to let it go. No matter what move 343 makes, or any company makes, it's the losing one to the fanbase.

So you know what you do? Take your fond memories, and hang on to them. Because they are yours. Unless you're the one pulling the strings, there isn't anything you can do but watch. Same as me. I don't agree with all the choices being made.

I'm jaded, half and half on all the things 343 does. They do something good with potential, then oops, they slip up. But, like I said, change happens. Just like friends you grew apart from over the years until finally you separated completely. So too is this happening to Halo.

But, just because those friends of yours are no longer your friends, doesn't mean they gave you fond memories. So hang on to those. And try to make the best of things in the days ahead. Because that's all there is to do.

343 is still a company. In order to survive, they need money. So they'll make Halo's. M$ won't ever let Halo hit the coffin. As fans, we're fucked four ways from Sunday. We've been fucked since Reach.

All we can do now, is cherish what we had, remember the days when things were better, and try to make something of what we currently have.

Like I said, if they did it right, I'd be all for it. And I'm glad the MCC was made.

But otherwise, Microsoft needs to let Halo go.

That's the problem though. There is no doing it right anymore. Counting the trilogy, counting 4, and even Reach, there are no more moves left to make without breaking things up and changing them. And if you don't change them, then it becomes a grind. The devs put out the same shit, and it breaks them. The fans get all pissy that the newest Halo was just DLC for the last game.

The MCC is almost an idea realized that I had in mind. A hub based Halo with all the content and access to everything previously made. The hub would be a center and anchor for the community, like Waypoint, but centered around the games and gameplay.

Over time, 343 could add onto the hub. New campaigns, or MP's, like DLC, and charge for them. It would ease the strain of having to make a new game yearly and find some way to match or beat what they did last year.

If a team wanted to make a cool standalone campaign, they could. If they wanted to try something new for the MP, they could. They wouldn't have to make a full game. They could work in bits and pieces, and add new content and charge for it as DLC, which would earn them their profits to keep things running.

If I was pulling the strings, I'd aim for that. Because at that point, it would be win win. Everybody would get what they wanted, and the company would have true room to explore and experiment without stepping on anybody's shoes in the process or having to make an entire game even if they just wanted to do a campaign, like ODST.

And the digital age is rapidly upon us. ^^^ That idea of mine I talked about a few years ago was regarded with a lot of doubt. But 343 got it partially right, and proved that it was possible with the MCC. If only they'd take that last step.

But, I'm just a guy on the ground right? Same to you.

That's a good idea, actually. But it'll never happen. People insist on making things far more complicated than they are.

LOL You don't care if pro players agree with me?

I might as well be saying gravity exists and that all scientists agree with you replying "Irrelevant".

The proof is right there for everybody to see. There's no way for me to actually prove it other than compiling hundreds of hours of videos showing the difference in gameplay between Halo 3 and Reach/Halo 4.

This is legitimately the stupidest thing I've ever seen you say Goji, and you're REALLY grasping at straws here to the point that you're fanboying for 343.

Where is your proof?

If you're going to ask me a ridiculous question like that, where's your irrefutable proof sprint is an excellent addition to Halo?

Because as soon as sprint and AA's were added to Halo, people stopped playing big time.

Ever since Reach. Let me guess, they're not real fans? People with multiple 50's in Halo 3 and thousands of matches played don't know what they're talking about, right? People who played Halo competitively for money know less than you, right?

Let's break down your argument:

-Shooting skills in a shooter is not important

-Gimmicks that have driven away millions of players are great additions to Halo

even though they've dumbed the game down and made it far more random

and less competitive

-Breaking my posts down to each sentence so you can cherry pick and change the subject

Gimmicky gameplay has ruined Halo. The millions of players that have abandoned Reach 2 years after launch and Halo 4 A year after launch is all the proof required. The forums blew up on Bungie with longtime fans and members of b.net leaving and complaining about the shitty gameplay.

You can cherry pick and try to confuse the conversation, but it isn't working.

These things unbalance gameplay.

It attracts casual players which leave after a few months to play the next CoD and the real Halo fans are left complaining and waiting for updates which never really fixed the gameplay, and by then it was too late either way.

Same thing will happen to Halo 5. Halo should have ended at Halo 3. It's not meant to be changed and ruined by shitty mechanics from more casual games. If people are bored of playing Halo, then it's obviously time for a new franchise. Milking Halo and adding a new coat of paint and some gimmicks won't solve anything.