Quote from: 🇵🇪🇵🇸🇮™ on June 24, 2016, 01:28:24 AM

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on May 24, 2016, 03:27:48 PM

Quote from: PsygnI on May 24, 2016, 09:31:08 AM

I've always loved the visuals of Gran Turismo, even since the original on PS1.

But oh my god, the simulator aspect of the game just kills me. It's like trying to play a game from a painting.

I get this is why people enjoy Forza more. This seems to be for people who are truly passionate about cars.

well..then you'd probably get assetto corsa instead

never heard of it

it has the most advanced physics simulation out of any racing sim out, it takes ages for them to makes tracks and cars because they have to model the physics based on how the actual car in a stock setup feels, and they laser scan every real track they put into the game

pretty much all other racing sims don't completely simulate the physics of every car, the AI has their own version of the physics because it bogs down the CPU

not with assetto corsa, every car is fully simulated, tyres, suspension, down to the condition of the track (dusty, optimal, cars driven over the track affect how it reacts over long periods of time)

Quote from: 🇵🇪🇵🇸🇮™ on June 24, 2016, 06:18:36 AM

it has the most advanced physics simulation out of any racing sim out, it takes ages for them to makes tracks and cars because they have to model the physics based on how the actual car in a stock setup feels, and they laser scan every real track they put into the game

pretty much all other racing sims don't completely simulate the physics of every car, the AI has their own version of the physics because it bogs down the CPU

not with assetto corsa, every car is fully simulated, tyres, suspension, down to the condition of the track (dusty, optimal, cars driven over the track affect how it reacts over long periods of time)

Maybe I'll check it out once the comp is built. Is it on sale now?

Yes, but when I say sim, I really do mean it targets a very niche audience, not just GT where you can play with a controller, this game expects you to have a force feedback wheel at the very least, and for you to be able to do races for hours and hours, this is like the track-driving version of Flight Sim X

It's possible to play with an xbox controller, but this game actually made me go out and buy a wheel

Quote from: 🇵🇪🇵🇸🇮™ on June 24, 2016, 08:51:51 AM

Quote from: ⚡ Thunder on June 24, 2016, 06:22:45 AM

Quote from: 🇵🇪🇵🇸🇮™ on June 24, 2016, 06:18:36 AM

it has the most advanced physics simulation out of any racing sim out, it takes ages for them to makes tracks and cars because they have to model the physics based on how the actual car in a stock setup feels, and they laser scan every real track they put into the game

pretty much all other racing sims don't completely simulate the physics of every car, the AI has their own version of the physics because it bogs down the CPU

not with assetto corsa, every car is fully simulated, tyres, suspension, down to the condition of the track (dusty, optimal, cars driven over the track affect how it reacts over long periods of time)

Maybe I'll check it out once the comp is built. Is it on sale now?

Yes, but when I say sim, I really do mean it targets a very niche audience, not just GT where you can play with a controller, this game expects you to have a force feedback wheel at the very least, and for you to be able to do races for hours and hours, this is like the track-driving version of Flight Sim X

It's possible to play with an xbox controller, but this game actually made me go out and buy a wheel

nvm

depends on the kind of experience you want, I mean you did say you wanted a sim and no racing game probably does that as well as AC

Quote from: 🇵🇪🇵🇸🇮™ on June 24, 2016, 11:39:05 PM

depends on the kind of experience you want, I mean you did say you wanted a sim and no racing game probably does that as well as AC

And in your opinion, is it only "meh" with a controller?

The thing is, I'm not really sure why people play simulators without sim controls, again it's definitely playable, but people are playing with things like assists off, traction control off, etc and still using a gamepad

I mean, fine if you want a challenge, but you're still pressing your fingers against a trigger to accelerate and brake over a few degrees of articulation over a tiny axis, and the same goes for steering; you're trying to steer cars with which in real life have steering degree "axis" over like, 360, 540, 900 and even 1080 degrees of steering lock, with the added "feel" of the force feedback motors

With a FFB wheel, you can actually feel when the motors are at their strongest, it will be harder to turn a wheel when you are at speed and trying to make a corner your tires can barely keep straight on - you can just about feel the limits of your car, and when you push past the "tightness", your wheel suddenly goes loose and you've lost grip, and your car spins out. Assetto Corsa probably also has the best FFB modelling out there too, nearly every car I pick in the game, I'm able to drive at speed and brake effectively because it does such an amazing job of transferring the feel and response the car's tires against the road.

It's not impossible to enjoy this game on a gamepad, and the rumble is quite well done, but I feel like to truly enjoy a simulator and to bring yourself closer to the real-life scenario you're trying to simulate, you need some sort of setup that enables you to get as close to the real thing as possible.

Again, I do have a few friends who do play this on a gamepad and enjoy it, mostly cause they want a challenging game; I'm just wondering what the point of expressly wanting a "simulator" for being a simulator is if you're still holding on to a gamepad, especially people who compare the "feel" of a car without being able to feel how the road affects the steering directly, and using a small handheld controller vs a setup similar to an actual car

Quote from: 🇵🇪🇵🇸🇮™ on June 24, 2016, 11:59:13 PM

I'm looking at a couple hundred for an FFB wheel, aren't I?

do you want a game or do you want a sim for the sake of being a simulator

it's like putting a steering lever in a car or using a touchscreen to fly a plane

or using a touchscreen to fly a plane

tbh tho, that's what the modern ATP basically does