Fortnite is just the coolest, video gamey game ever

challengerX · May 08, 2018, 08:08:06 PM

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Elai · May 08, 2018, 08:19:05 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 08, 2018, 08:08:06 PM

Almost all pro players agree with me.

Okay.

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Fun =/= quality

It's a significant factor.

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Weapon skins are a lame attempt at attracting the fortnite crowd. You can call it "going the extra mile to do fun things" all you want, it's a gimmicky game. There's nothing necessarily wrong with that. I'm just telling it like it is.

It's not. You could remove all the "gimmicks" and it would still be a fun and popular game. Lots of people do that because it's free and just play to play for the hell of it. But the game is so fun you feel compelled to spend money on it to support it. That's how it worked for me.

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Again I don't know anything about league of legends. And Ninja is just doing that for fun. You can hold a competition of almost anything, it doesn't make something inherently competitive.

It became a competitive event. And it's growing more popular. It will be a more popular game than PUBG competitively speaking. Whether it's "more competitive" or not is irrelevant.

challengerX · May 08, 2018, 08:27:53 PM

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challengerX · May 08, 2018, 08:36:33 PM

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Verbatim · May 08, 2018, 08:40:09 PM

i think i listened to a podcast with playerunknown once where he literally admitted that he doesn't even play video games at all, and only designed the game that he wanted to play

nothing wrong with that, but it sure goes to show you why the game is so lacking in all the most important departments

alphy · May 08, 2018, 08:43:59 PM

Quote from: Shhhhhh on May 08, 2018, 08:40:09 PM

i think i listened to a podcast with playerunknown once where he literally admitted that he doesn't even play video games at all, and only designed the game that he wanted to play

nothing wrong with that, but it sure goes to show you why the game is so lacking in all the most important departments

ive always thought inserting his own name into the game title is one of the lamest things you could do

Elai · May 08, 2018, 08:52:51 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 08, 2018, 08:27:53 PM

Quote from: Eli on May 08, 2018, 08:19:05 PM
Okay.
So you're dismissing what pro players say or what?

Yeah. I don't consider teamwork to be as impressive as building and I'm sure they don't agree.

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Nah what I'm saying is something can be fun but not be a quality game.

Not really. That doesn't make sense.

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I'm not saying it's a shitty game or wishing death on it lmao I don't know why people think I have that mentality. There's enough for everybody to eat. It's just gimmicky and I don't like it.

I'm not saying that's what you think I just don't agree that PUBG is the better game.

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It's relevant to the conversation. This is like saying *insert popular band* is gonna sell more albums even though the music is worse than *good band*. How good the game is matters.

It's not like that at all. It's like saying A good band that gives away their album for free is gonna get more listens that a good band that asks for money.

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But again all I've ever really said about fortnite is that it isn't competitive or better than pubg. If you play it and have fun, great. I'm just confused as to why people who enjoy fortnite think it's a more competitive and nuanced game than pubg or that the developers care more etc. That's just not the case.

I'll concede that PUBG lends itself to competition more, but it's still an unfinished mess and the developers do not care about that game's quality or fans. Fortnite is more original than PUBG because at least it uses its own engine and creative spark to make things interesting. At the end of the day PUBG is just a glorified mod of ARMA. The game was $60 as an early access title and before fixing the numerous issues with the game they implemented a shitty RNG lootbox microtransaction system. They've tried to threaten legal action against Epic Games for "stealing" the Battle Royale formula. They're a bad company that just doesn't care and sat on their hands after they raked in 750 million. Epic Games isn't like that at all, and that goes a long way for me.

challengerX · May 08, 2018, 08:55:26 PM

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challengerX · May 08, 2018, 09:11:30 PM

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Elai · May 08, 2018, 09:40:47 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 08, 2018, 09:11:30 PM

lol... probably because teamwork is a real thing that's valuable in a person as a human being and building is just a way to slow down an already campy game.

Give me a break. As if you're trying to tell me PUBG is improving your communication skills as a human being... get real, dude.

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I was using money as an example. And that's my point, fortnite can be bigger than pubg because it's free to play. Not really because it's better.

That's my point, that it will be more competitively viable because there's no barrier to entry. League is a dogshit game and its still one of the most popular competitive games around the world because its free. PUBG won't be around in 2 years, 5 years tops.

But again, I don't care about which is more competitive. Fortnite is competitive enough to be addictive, it has a real sense of heart behind it, and it has all the bells and whistles to put the cherry on top.

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What's unfinished about it? It's unfair to say that about the developers. They care, they're just incompetent.

It looks like garbage, visually. It's has exceptional optimisation problems, the UI is counter-intuitive, game flow is absolutely non-existent for the first 30 minutes of a match... it just looks low-quality, I don't know what else to tell you.

A lot of this has nothing to do with actual gameplay, but this game is supposed to be done. All these problems say to me "unfinished" and "early access," which is why I didn't criticise it a year ago.

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It's literally a cartoon version of pubg. It copied almost everything from pubg, how can it be more original lmao.

Because it doesn't just make a custom game version of ARMA, add a few mincrotransactions and call it a day. It's its own game built from the ground up with some cool twists on the genre that both improve it from an enjoyment perspective and an artistic one.

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I don't see how that's something for Bluehole to be ashamed of.

Well, it's an 60 dollar mod. That's pretty scummy.

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$30*

Cost me 80 bucks, 60 american.

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I'm talking about the games themselves.

At the end of the day, I don't respect PUBG like I do Fortnite because the developers didn't really do anything to be respected. They just modded ARMA. Any gameplay achievements they have they owe to the ARMA developers. Maybe PUBG is "more competitive," (I still don't really agree) but it's not more fun, and it won't be played more competitively like Fortnite will. PUBG asks for money upfront and then asks you to spend more for loot you're entitled to, they bully less successful developers who are doing their job better than they are, and they just sit on their hands with their earnings instead of actually using them to make their game better. Maybe none of these things hamper the actual quality of the gameplay, but Fortnite goes just as far in the opposite direction of "scummy" and it actually improves the game (this Infinity Gauntlet mode being a prime example.) And when a developer actually gives a shit and wants to make their game better, you can feel it while playing, and that improves the experience for me.

Batch · May 08, 2018, 10:07:30 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 08, 2018, 08:55:26 PM

Thanos isn't even that good wtf. Also this game promotes cutting down trees.

Stop it Deci

big dog · May 09, 2018, 04:40:32 AM

How much are Bluehole paying you, Chally?

challengerX · May 09, 2018, 05:14:05 AM

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Ingy · May 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM

Fornite barely qualifies ass a game

I don’t know how people can sit around all day playing it

Elai · May 09, 2018, 02:51:18 PM

Quote from: challengerX on May 09, 2018, 05:14:05 AM

What the fuck. I'm saying it's a game that rewards people who know how to be team players.

You were implying that PUBG builds communication skills through team-based gameplay, as if Fortnite doesn't require teamwork also.

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Actually if you go back to my previous posts it was my point. The game attracts a wider audience because it's free to play and a hell of a lot more casual.

It's not that casual, it's just more accessible which is misleading.

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So if the facts don't matter to you why are we having a conversation about this? This is like the third time you openly state you don't care yet you shill the game without actually backing up anything you say.

Because I don't really care to continue to argue it, I just want you to know I still believe it.

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I see almost no excitement on any streamers face when they get into a "firefight" on fortnite compared to pubg. It's such an easy game for them they're bored to death, but they're making money so they play it.

That's because people who play PUBG have absolutely nothing going for them in their real lives that winning a game is like injecting heroin.

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You haven't played the game in months, the UI is much better now.

I played it a few weeks ago with you and Banjo and Gorge Bush. I still have his friend request on Steam.

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I agree the game still has a lot of issues (lag and cheaters being the main ones) but the core gameplay of pubg is superior. It's more exciting.

More realistic is all I'm willing to give you.

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Take out all the gimmicks fortnite has and you have a legitimately boring experience.

That explains all the players who don't get anything by not buying the battle pass and just play for days on the free pass.

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There's a reason it has record breaking sales and is the most played game on Steam even in its early days where it was broken as fuck.

Yeah, because it's a really neat idea that Fortnite perfected.

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It already is being played more competitively.

PUBG's been around longer, that's why. Fortnite will be played competitive soon enough, once they figure out their custom games code thing.

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No it doesn't lol. Never once have I felt compelled to spend real life money on some bullshit cosmetic item for the game, especially since you're in first person and can't even see anything apart from weapon skins.

Well a lot of people don't feel that way, that's why I can buy a jacket on steam for a thousand dollars.

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what Epic Games did can easily be looked at as scummy too. They ripped off a lot of shit that is original to pubg and their only comment was (after they were developing this Battle Royale mode for their failed game in the dark, not telling Bluehole anything when they both use the same engine) that they were "inspired" by pubg.

That's not really scummy, it's just unoriginal. And the only thing they blatantly stole from PUBG was the battle bus thing.

Whatever we've kind of said our pieces about this and this reply was kind of superfluous but yeah. I really only take issue with your gross mischaracterisation of Fortnite's competitive viability. You are really downplaying the skill required for the building aspect. It might not be uber competitive realistic like PUBG but it's more fun because of that, IMO.

Elai · May 09, 2018, 02:51:36 PM

Quote from: Mardy Bum on May 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM

Fornite barely qualifies ass a game

I don’t know how people can sit around all day playing it

You barely qualify as a human being.

Desty · May 09, 2018, 03:22:57 PM

Quote from: Eli on May 09, 2018, 02:51:36 PM

Quote from: Mardy Bum on May 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
Fornite barely qualifies ass a game

I don’t know how people can sit around all day playing it

You barely qualify as a human being, you chink fuck. Get the fuck out of my country!

Wow what the heck Eli, watch Spiderman much?

Elai · May 09, 2018, 03:24:22 PM

Quote from: Desty on May 09, 2018, 03:22:57 PM

Quote from: Eli on May 09, 2018, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: Mardy Bum on May 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
Fornite barely qualifies ass a game

I don’t know how people can sit around all day playing it

You barely qualify as a human being, you chink fuck. Get the fuck out of my country!
Wow what the heck Eli, watch Spiderman much?

I preferred the "ant colony" bit, personally.

TB · May 09, 2018, 04:14:21 PM

Quote from: Eli on May 09, 2018, 03:24:22 PM

Quote from: Desty on May 09, 2018, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 09, 2018, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: Mardy Bum on May 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
Fornite barely qualifies ass a game

I don’t know how people can sit around all day playing it

You barely qualify as a human being, you chink fuck. Get the fuck out of my country!
Wow what the heck Eli, watch Spiderman much?

I preferred the "day of the rope" bit, personally. The elm is prepared, just have to wait for a full moon to cleanse this world.

Wow how did I miss this at first? I think you've been spending too much time with Grand Wizard Raimi

Desty · May 09, 2018, 04:16:28 PM

Quote from: TBlocks on May 09, 2018, 04:14:21 PM

Quote from: Eli on May 09, 2018, 03:24:22 PM
Quote from: Desty on May 09, 2018, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: Eli on May 09, 2018, 02:51:36 PM
Quote from: Mardy Bum on May 09, 2018, 11:17:33 AM
Fornite barely qualifies ass a game

I don’t know how people can sit around all day playing it

You barely qualify as a human being, you chink fuck. Get the fuck out of my country!
Wow what the heck Eli, watch Spiderman much?

I preferred the "day of the rope" bit, personally. The elm is prepared, just have to wait for a full moon to cleanse this world.
Wow how did I miss this at first? I think you've been spending too much time with Grand Wizard Raimi

People still think he's an alright person. How the hell did he get away with it?

Ingy · May 09, 2018, 09:21:09 PM

This isn't early access
They just abandoned the actual game when they realized Battle Royale made them more money

challengerX · May 09, 2018, 09:37:56 PM

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Dietrich Six · May 09, 2018, 10:36:18 PM

Plenty of pro players agree, now with testimonials.

Batch · May 09, 2018, 10:46:51 PM

Quote from: Eli on May 09, 2018, 03:24:22 PM

Oi mate PUBG is literally $30 USD on Steam, where the hell did you waste $80 Leafbucks?

big dog · May 10, 2018, 03:05:04 AM

PLENTY OF PRO PLAYERS

challengerX · May 10, 2018, 06:59:38 AM

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Dietrich Six · May 10, 2018, 07:22:10 AM

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PLENTY OF PRO PLAYERS
Ask any decent streamer what he thinks and what the pro players they know think about fortnite. Nobody thinks it's a seriously competitive game.

None of you have a valid argument other than "it can be played competitively". Sure, but so can bowling. That doesn't mean it's a competitive experience.

I've literally never heard any pro players say fortnite isn't competitive, or that pubg is more competitive than r6s.

challengerX · May 10, 2018, 07:37:15 AM

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Dietrich Six · May 10, 2018, 08:02:27 AM

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PLENTY OF PRO PLAYERS
Ask any decent streamer what he thinks and what the pro players they know think about fortnite. Nobody thinks it's a seriously competitive game.

None of you have a valid argument other than "it can be played competitively". Sure, but so can bowling. That doesn't mean it's a competitive experience.

I've literally never heard any pro players say fortnite isn't competitive, or that pubg is more competitive than r6s.
You're also an idiot

Nuh uh

Elai · May 10, 2018, 08:44:24 AM

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is this a joke🤔

yeah, it was. in my experience though, people with lives and friends play Fortnite.

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Really? Anyways there was a huge update after that and the UI is much cleaner now.

I played yesterday and I will say they have made small improvements since last month, but it still takes way too long to drop into a game once you decide to play, and the actual navigation of the UI could be smoother.

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I consider it boring. It's true, I haven't played it so maybe I shouldn't judge it so harshly but from what I've seen it doesn't interest me.

That's fine. I consider PUBG boring cuz I don't really care about military simulations.

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Again, if you personally enjoy fortnite more, great. I just don't consider it a competitive and plenty of pro players don't either. It doesn't make fortnite a bad game, it just makes it a more casual experience. Which is what it is. A more carefree, goofy PUBG.

It's as casual as Halo.