Quote from: challengerX on November 20, 2017, 08:34:18 PMNinja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to liveif a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action gamethe whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that much
Ninja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to live
depth is objective. you can calculate it. fundamental controls options x number of varied button inputs + NPC ability.
it takes about 3 or 4 hours to really enjoy ityknow, after youve learnt the game's mechanics and how to do things more effectively
what is countering
Quote from: Verbatim on November 20, 2017, 08:36:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on November 20, 2017, 08:34:18 PMNinja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to liveif a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action gamethe whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that muchdmc and bayonetta and mgr arent hack n slash then
Quote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 08:38:18 PMdepth is objective. you can calculate it. fundamental controls options x number of varied button inputs + NPC ability. but none of it matters if the game isn't fun to START withif the game isn't fun to start with, none of it mattersyou shouldn't want to make games fun, and fun in general shouldn't be what you want from a game anywayQuoteit takes about 3 or 4 hours to really enjoy ityknow, after youve learnt the game's mechanics and how to do things more effectivelyit's instantly magnificentthe moment you start playing the game, it immediately sucks you in from the very first islandQuotewhat is counteringsomething that i can easily bait
Quote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 08:39:58 PMQuote from: Verbatim on November 20, 2017, 08:36:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on November 20, 2017, 08:34:18 PMNinja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to liveif a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action gamethe whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that muchdmc and bayonetta and mgr arent hack n slash thenand they still manage to be garbage
not if youre button mashing
Quote from: Verbatim on November 20, 2017, 08:43:41 PMQuote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 08:39:58 PMQuote from: Verbatim on November 20, 2017, 08:36:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on November 20, 2017, 08:34:18 PMNinja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to liveif a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action gamethe whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that muchdmc and bayonetta and mgr arent hack n slash thenand they still manage to be garbageokay! cool! awesome! literally irrelevant. theyre full of depth. you lose, i win. papa bless.
Quote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 08:45:08 PMQuote from: Verbatim on November 20, 2017, 08:43:41 PMQuote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 08:39:58 PMQuote from: Verbatim on November 20, 2017, 08:36:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on November 20, 2017, 08:34:18 PMNinja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to liveif a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action gamethe whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that muchdmc and bayonetta and mgr arent hack n slash thenand they still manage to be garbageokay! cool! awesome! literally irrelevant. theyre full of depth. you lose, i win. papa bless.everything about it was relevantthey have 0 depth that matters, therefore they're garbage, and no intelligent person would play them
"oh no ive talked out of my ass again and backed myself into a corner, better move the goalposts and pretend i know what im talking about"for all the arguing you do you'd think you actually be good at it
Quote from: Verbatim on November 20, 2017, 08:36:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on November 20, 2017, 08:34:18 PMNinja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to liveif a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action gamethe whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that muchI thought hack n slash games were games where you use a sword and combos a lot or something.The combat in Nier for example is less complex than NG, for example, but I wouldn't go so far as to say you can button mash your way through it.
Quote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 08:51:42 PM"oh no ive talked out of my ass again and backed myself into a corner, better move the goalposts and pretend i know what im talking about"for all the arguing you do you'd think you actually be good at ityou just described three things that i did not doyou're the one in the corner, and you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking aboutactually think about what you're saying right nowyou're saying that hack 'n' slash games HAVE DEPTHare you fucking insane
your fighting game comparison doesnt work because you can button mash in that game too.
Quote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 08:56:52 PMyour fighting game comparison doesnt work because you can button mash in that game too.but you are less likely to succeedin DMC, bayonetta, and hyrule warriors, you are guaranteed to succeed if you mashmaybe not if that's literally the only thing that you do, but mashing with a little bit of whatever else mixed in is not deep gameplay, and there's no point in mastering the rest of the game's moves, because they're overall less efficient despite being "satisfying" in an extremely superficial way ("wow that move gives me a nice view of her ass i'm gonna do that a lot" SUCH DEPTH)there's nothing deep about cheap satisfaction, so depth in achieving that cheap satisfaction should probably be considered anti-depth
many hack n slash games reward skilled play by making enemies take more damage from higher/more varied combos, making it the most efficient method possible
i dont even play that many hack n slash games and the ones i do i dont enjoy for gameplay reasons. dmc and bayonetta are mechanically deep games. end of story.
And there goes the thread
Quote from: Luciana on November 20, 2017, 07:14:32 PMOne of the few good things to come out with Link Between Worlds. This legitimately has to be one of my favorite Zelda tracks ever.yeah, that's a pretty good songthough, i don't really share the distaste some of you seem to have for ALBW
One of the few good things to come out with Link Between Worlds. This legitimately has to be one of my favorite Zelda tracks ever.
Quote from: Verbatim on November 20, 2017, 08:36:42 PMQuote from: challengerX on November 20, 2017, 08:34:18 PMNinja Gaiden is a hack n slash game but you need to know the combos and be damn good at dodging and blocking to liveif a game actually requires skill and timing and shit to win, it's not really a hack n slash, it's just an action gamethe whole point of hack n slash is that they're mindless entertainment for 12 year olds who don't like thinking that muchI thought hack n slash games were games where you use a sword and combos a lot or something.The combat in Nier for example is less complex than NG, but I wouldn't go so far as to say you can button mash your way through it.
Quote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 09:06:49 PMmany hack n slash games reward skilled play by making enemies take more damage from higher/more varied combos, making it the most efficient method possibleunfortunately, that's not actually how any of them workand even if it was, it's still cheap satisfaction under the guise of deep rewarding gameplaywhich isn't real depth, but anti-depthit's potato chipsQuotei dont even play that many hack n slash games and the ones i do i dont enjoy for gameplay reasons. dmc and bayonetta are mechanically deep games. end of story.you keep repeating this like an autistic chimp, yet i've never said anything to contradict itthe games have depthanti-depthbut i'm not interested in anti-depth, i'm interested in real depth
4? I'm just kinda side commenting. Not getting into your two's argument lol.
"yeah i guess you could say they have D.E.P.T.H.D - notE - meaningfulP -in anyT - possibleH - way"
tblocks still posts?
Quote from: Snake 🙏 on November 20, 2017, 09:14:37 PM"yeah i guess you could say they have D.E.P.T.H.D - notE - meaningfulP -in anyT - possibleH - way"i'll take that as a victory
Favorite Zelda games?
