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What's wrong with Hyrule Warriors

It's a musou game so if you don't like how Dynasty Warriors plays at all, you wouldn't like this.

what's a musou game

dynasty warriors as a franchise

i know but what kind of genre is it

i could look it up i guess

just dumb mindless hack n slash garbage

i think you enjoyed mgr for some reason though, and over-the-top macho shit in general it seems, so you don't have much reason to dislike hyrule warriors

yeah maybe i'll check it out

does the gameplay have any depth at all

i think the idea behind hack n slash is that there is no depth

dmc and bayonetta have lots of depth

lol

how do they not though

A link to the Past

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Expressions too

i'd say link is just as expressive in botw

what's impressive about ww is that they managed to pull it off in 2003

It wasn't bad per say but sailing was boring. If you bought WW you got Ocarina of Time Master Quest with it and I remember playing it just as much in 2003 and even more it in later years.

they tried to recapture that explorative feeling the first LoZ had in WW but just couldn't because of the hardware limitations. it also suffered from a lot of cut content that would have introduced a new world, similar to how ocarina of time had the past and future worlds to explore.

it's still an excellent 10/10 game don't get me wrong but i just find BOTW to be a better execution of what WW tried to do.

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What's wrong with Hyrule Warriors

It's a musou game so if you don't like how Dynasty Warriors plays at all, you wouldn't like this.

what's a musou game

dynasty warriors as a franchise

i know but what kind of genre is it

i could look it up i guess

just dumb mindless hack n slash garbage

i think you enjoyed mgr for some reason though, and over-the-top macho shit in general it seems, so you don't have much reason to dislike hyrule warriors

yeah maybe i'll check it out

does the gameplay have any depth at all

i think the idea behind hack n slash is that there is no depth

dmc and bayonetta have lots of depth

lol

how do they not though

because you can beat the whole game just by mashing buttons

they're not exactly known for intelligent or methodical gameplay, that's the whole genre

is a pool only 4 feet deep if you stay in the shallow area?

effectively yes, when there's literally no reason to venture outside of the shallow area

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What's wrong with Hyrule Warriors

It's a musou game so if you don't like how Dynasty Warriors plays at all, you wouldn't like this.

what's a musou game

dynasty warriors as a franchise

i know but what kind of genre is it

i could look it up i guess

just dumb mindless hack n slash garbage

i think you enjoyed mgr for some reason though, and over-the-top macho shit in general it seems, so you don't have much reason to dislike hyrule warriors

yeah maybe i'll check it out

does the gameplay have any depth at all

i think the idea behind hack n slash is that there is no depth

dmc and bayonetta have lots of depth

lol

how do they not though

because you can beat the whole game just by mashing buttons

they're not exactly known for intelligent or methodical gameplay, that's the whole genre

is a pool only 4 feet deep if you stay in the shallow area?

effectively yes, when there's literally no reason to venture outside of the shallow area

- its easier to actually "swim" when you cant stand up
- its more fun

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What's wrong with Hyrule Warriors

It's a musou game so if you don't like how Dynasty Warriors plays at all, you wouldn't like this.

what's a musou game

dynasty warriors as a franchise

i know but what kind of genre is it

i could look it up i guess

just dumb mindless hack n slash garbage

i think you enjoyed mgr for some reason though, and over-the-top macho shit in general it seems, so you don't have much reason to dislike hyrule warriors

yeah maybe i'll check it out

does the gameplay have any depth at all

i think the idea behind hack n slash is that there is no depth

dmc and bayonetta have lots of depth

lol

how do they not though

because you can beat the whole game just by mashing buttons

they're not exactly known for intelligent or methodical gameplay, that's the whole genre

is a pool only 4 feet deep if you stay in the shallow area?

effectively yes, when there's literally no reason to venture outside of the shallow area

- its easier to actually "swim" when you cant stand up
- its more fun

i don't see how

- if you're in a pool trying to swim, it's easier to actually swim when you can't touch the floor, because you won't be touching the floor
- if you're in a pool trying to swim, it's easier to have fun when you're actually swimming (which you're not doing when you're just walking around the shallow end

if you're playing a hack and slash, and you're looking to enjoy yourself (swim), you wont be able to have much fun by smashing the same buttons over and over again (staying in the shallow end). you have to learn the combos (swim in the deep end) to make the game both more fun (because you're fully realising and master the game's mechanics) and easier (if you know the correct combos for the right enemy, its easier to defeat than if you just mash square)

kapeesh

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- if you're in a pool trying to swim, it's easier to actually swim when you can't touch the floor, because you won't be touching the floor
- if you're in a pool trying to swim, it's easier to have fun when you're actually swimming (which you're not doing when you're just walking around the shallow end

if you're playing a hack and slash, and you're looking to enjoy yourself (swim), you wont be able to have much fun by smashing the same buttons over and over again (staying in the shallow end). you have to learn the combos (swim in the deep end) to make the game both more fun (because you're fully realising and master the game's mechanics) and easier (if you know the correct combos for the right enemy, its easier to defeat than if you just mash square)

kapeesh

i don't think i should have to make games fun

they should just be fun

the reason i love fighting games is because you can't just mash to win, which in itself provides the player an incentive to practice and get better

there's no incentive to get better when you're already a master of the game by doing this

the incentive is enjoyment.

its fine if its not your bag but you cant really sit there and tell me the games i listed dont have depth. my analogy works.

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the incentive is enjoyment.

its fine if its not your bag but you cant really sit there and tell me the games i listed dont have depth. my analogy works.

they have depth in the least meaningful way

cmon bro

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- if you're in a pool trying to swim, it's easier to actually swim when you can't touch the floor, because you won't be touching the floor
- if you're in a pool trying to swim, it's easier to have fun when you're actually swimming (which you're not doing when you're just walking around the shallow end

if you're playing a hack and slash, and you're looking to enjoy yourself (swim), you wont be able to have much fun by smashing the same buttons over and over again (staying in the shallow end). you have to learn the combos (swim in the deep end) to make the game both more fun (because you're fully realising and master the game's mechanics) and easier (if you know the correct combos for the right enemy, its easier to defeat than if you just mash square)

kapeesh

i don't think i should have to make games fun

they should just be fun

the reason i love fighting games is because you can't just mash to win, which in itself provides the player an incentive to practice and get better

there's no incentive to get better when you're already a master of the game by doing this

Sure you can win fighting games by button mashing. They're quite similar in my mind, you can llay both hack and slash and fighting games by just hitting buttons, finding like one or two that works and sticking to it. To up your game however it takes more effort. I don't see the difference.

if it's not fun to play, i could not give a singular fuck how much depth it has

the argument stemmed from you laughing at the fact that Bayonetta and DMC have depth. It's indisputable that they do no matter how you slice it. i win.

you're telling me i have to make a game fun--why

why is it not just fun to start with

wind waker isn't fun to start with

the argument stemmed from you laughing at the fact that Bayonetta and DMC have depth. It's indisputable that they do no matter how you slice it. i win.

i assumed that by "depth" you meant "depth that matters"

bayonetta has depth in ways that don't matter, sure, you win, thanks for admitting it's a shit game

wind waker isn't fun to start with

wind waker is fucking amazing to start with

i assumed that by "depth" you meant "depth that matters"

bayonetta has depth in ways that don't matter, sure, you win, thanks for admitting it's a shit game

depth is objective. you can calculate it. fundamental controls options x number of varied button inputs + NPC ability.

it takes about 3 or 4 hours to really enjoy wind waker

yknow, after youve learnt the game's mechanics and how to do things more effectively

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the way hack 'n' slashes are designed, if they had pvp, the button masher is gonna win

nope

yeah, pretty much guaranteed

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