>LoA
>Calling someone's poll that is clearly biased, biased.
>Zonda
>Thinking I'm referring to the poll results

10/10 no re

I was more referencing your high-tier Halo 5 shilling in other threads tbh fam. ofc the OP's like and dislike for certain games is clear in the Polls, but all I'm saying is it's a bit of Pot-Kettle-Black for you to call somebody else's (in this case, OP's) view on the games biased. I didn't think for a second you were talking about poll results, so much as the post itself.

ODST, purely for the atmosphere of New Mombasa at night.

Marty nailed the score for that.

ODST's OST & atmosphere was probably the best in any game I have played.

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 04, 2016, 09:44:40 AM

>LoA
>Calling someone's poll that is clearly biased, biased.
>Zonda
>Thinking I'm referring to the poll results

10/10 no re

I was more referencing your high-tier Halo 5 shilling in other threads tbh fam. ofc the OP's like and dislike for certain games is clear in the Polls, but all I'm saying is it's a bit of Pot-Kettle-Black for you to call somebody else's (in this case, OP's) view on the games biased. I didn't think for a second you were talking about poll results, so much as the post itself.

Oh don't worry. I acknowledge my view on the games and the entire franchises to be INCREDIBLY biased. Perhaps more so than anyone else here. After all, I'm fairly certain to be the only one here to have read/played through every piece of canon content and analyzed the gameplay differences and peculiarities of each game as much as I have. That does not invalidate or devalue my arguments, however.

But my Halo 5 shilling? I've never cared for a second that people don't like Halo 5. Only every cared about the reasons people don't like the game, or the extremity stemming from the reasons.

And perhaps that's a whole bunch of bullshit. I don't care. That's up for all of you to decide. Quite clearly, all of you do think it's bullshit, as many of you continue to claim I'm "shilling 343i" despite it becoming word that's lost all meaning. It has about as much meaning as "check your privilege" and is consequently used to invalidate anyone you don't agree with because you don't want to, or are incapable of refuting them.

I've got a lot of opinions as to what 343i did wrong and what they did right (and believe me, they've done a lot wrong). The funny thing though is that literally no one here has those same thoughts. Or is at least willing to express them in a rational, calm manner.

In the end though, a large part of the fun of Sep7agon for me comes from the community's bastard relationship with the Halo franchise and seeing how twisted and butthurt things can get. I hated it at first to be honest, but I might as well embrace it since I like some of the people here.

Anyway, I wouldn't have posted anything in this thread if there wasn't a blindingly clear attempt to push the opinion of Bungie's Halo's being "infinitely" superior to any others'. But as I stated before, I'm not bothered by it because Sep7agon has a hilariously mangled relationship with Halo, so it doesn't come as a surprise.

Doesn't stop me from joining in on the fun.

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Oh look. A Halo thread on Sep7agon that is inherently biased.

Surprised? I wasn't.

I don't see the bias here...maybe most people here just like Halo 2 and 3?

>Halo 2
>Halo 2 Anniversary
>Halo Reach - Glorious
>Halo 4 and 5 are uncapitalized

Ah yes, the fair poll options.

Bias?
I even added Halo 2 Anniversary (343) because someone made a compelling argument.
Also two games uncapitalized does not affect the Polls in anyway.

Doesn't change the fact that Halo 2 is now on the poll twice.
If you've taken a basic high school psychology class, you'd know that the way a poll item is presented actually does matter.
You've even proclaimed the best option on the poll to be Reach.

Biased poll is biased.

People were asking for Halo 2 Anniversary, specifically for the Multiplayer. So ...
I picked Halo 2, I may have said Reach was glorious, also the H4/5  being uncapitalized mean nothing as long as people aren't sheep.

I don't deny what you're saying is true, but it doesn't change the fact the poll is biased, yo.

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 04, 2016, 07:53:34 PM

But my Halo 5 shilling? I've never cared for a second that people don't like Halo 5. Only every cared about the reasons people don't like the game, or the extremity stemming from the reasons.

That's fair enough, but I swear I've seen you reply to people saying they disagree with the way Halo's story went after 343 acquired it, with a criticism of Halo 3's lack of story as if that somehow was relevant to the topic. Or were you just trying to shut down that line of conversation for no reason?

And in regards to the complaints about the disparity between the Campaign trailers and the game itself, you were quick to point out that 343i were not tasked with the advertising, despite the fact that nobody was criticizing the developers for it in the first place.

Say you only care about unreasonable criticisms as much as you like, but I've seen you and Lemon shoot down some perfectly reasonable discussion without hesitation.

The intention behind mentioning Halo 3's uneventful narrative is by pointing out that they were completely okay with a narrative that was incredibly unthoughtful and did little to advance the story in meaningful ways (AKA a copout), yet reject any attempt to advance and progress the story and take it in new directions, despite having proper support in existing lore.

I was quick to point that discrepancy out because people WERE blaming 343i entirely for the difference, saying they didn't deliver on what they were expecting. Somewhat irrelevant, but it turns out that 343i was involved with the bait and switch to some extent. Obviously at the time I didn't know this because no one was citing the sources I've come to see.

That's because you're view of personally reasonable discussion was in my eyes a circlejerk of hate. I stand by that assertion, because when people discuss how they don't like 343i it always turns into that (as does anything a group of people dislike). However, you are undoubtedly right that I have pounced on people unnecessarily because I was assblasted. My only response to that is two things:

1. They were upset over things that they should have known well before the game came out, or completely failed to notice (hence my bias of having a ridiculous amount of knowledge about Halo; people just don't pay attention as much as I do).

2. It was before I adopted the understanding that It's a waste of my time to expend so much energy constantly fighting with everyone I disagree with, and believing that everyone's opinions can be swayed. (An undoubtedly childish view on social interaction that I'm not ashamed to admit, as Sandtrap has time and again astutely pointed out Sep7agon is a gathering of broken people hanging on to what defines them.)

But do you know this for certain every time you bring it up, or are you just assuming they're part of the "LOL 343 SUX GIEV TEH HELO BAK 2 BUNJO NAO" crowd in every instance? I've only seen a few sep7agooks openly say they liked Halo 3's 'story,' and some of them are the sort who just like to completely obviously stir shit. I can't be fucked sifting through all the theory threads at the start of the Halo 3 forum, and "Halo 3 is dead" threads at the end to see what the main discussions about the campaign were like, so I can't give you an accurate depiction on the general consensus of Halo 3's narrative was.

Honestly, I don't remember. Ever since I returned 2 - 3 months ago I've only been involved in one major shit show where the majority of people were all assblasted and not trolling. In many instances though, the people I respond to are in that crowd. Many, many people want 343i to follow what Bungie did. Maybe not intentionally, but their knee-jerk reaction to anything they dislike about 343i is to immediately point out that Bungie would do it better because they've already done it better in the past, they've done it better in Destiny, and/or it was a part of their nostalgia. Much like my knee jerk reaction in the past was to ignore the point entirely and try to make an obscure argument by pointing out Halo 3's flaws as if that would directly refute their argument entirely.

In what way fam? I've never supported the open criticism of 343, I've seen posts provide good feedback on what they could've done better, but didn't get involved because they used that criticism as a reason to hate the developers themselves. There's no shortage of people who take their arguing over the top - and they should be called out on it, but it doesn't mean their whole posts are automatically invalid.

It actually does. Something being invalid does not mean it is inherently incorrect, but rather that some or many of their supporting facts for their argument are not true or don't hold up under scrutiny. Obviously this means it has a less likely chance of being true, but not immediately or totally as there are obviously many other points and facts that could be made. The other thing too, is that I really don't think hating developers in the way many people do is appropriate or fair at all; it's the near equivalent of ad hominen. Doing nothing and passively letting people take part in it isn't going to solve the problem. However, the issue there of getting involved in stopping such behavior is that anyone who tries to put an end to hateful discussion ends up being called out for "shilling" because you can't argue that they are incorrect without providing direct counterexamples to their argument to show that hating on X developer employee is irrational. Of course, criticism is fine, but rational criticism of a game designer's habits are ridiculously rare. This is evident by the last Halo thread made. In there, you had a good portion of Sep7agon's active users suggesting 343i's artists and designers deserve to be murdered simply because they disagreed on something subjective. However, I've realized it's fruitless to try and put an end to such a thing on the forums I visit as it's just the way people socially interact exacerbated by the anonymity and disconnectedness of the internet.

It's not hard to miss something if you're not religiously following a game's leadup, and in some cases even if you are. IIRC it wasn't until the Destiny Beta that there was even a hint it wasn't going to deliver on the promise of being an early No Man's Sky. Almost invariably complaints about features pre-release are shot down with "Just wait until launch/it's just a beta," and don't even get me started on the "It was an intended feature" as a defensive argument.

Undoubtedly, but even the people who do are going to miss things that I don't when it comes to Halo. I actually tried to counteract people getting upset for Halo 5 by intentionally lowering expectations pointing out the mistakes 343i've made in the past. Obviously though, as I implied earlier, I try not to hound on people for such things anymore, unless I can prove what they missed was made abundantly clear and becomes their own fault for simply not doing common sense research. 

More asshurt than a gay bar.

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 04, 2016, 09:56:33 PM

you had a good portion of Sep7agon's active users suggesting 343i's artists and designers deserve to be murdered simply because they disagreed on something subjective.

You mean only one user who hasn't even been on the site for that long?

You try to make us out to be irrationally hating 343i yet provide no evidence of it.

I mean it's not like he's wrong. People have been saying stuff like that. On the other hand, for him to take those quotes literally is something i'd expect more from Deci or a hardcore Archive denizen.

I'd have to go with Halo 3 due to the fun factor of it all.

The Campaign may have been a mess when it came down to plot pacing and a few hiccups here and there, but it was damn fun. The multiplayer may not have been as great as 2's and CE's, but the visual noise and overall aesthetics of the game was perfect. That and how much of an improvement Forge and Customs brought into the game (were it not for those two I would have definitely chose Halo 2). Halo 3's Forge though quite simple had a strong meta (if that's the right word for it) due to the scenery pieces being used as a simple script at the time, only being beaten by Halo 5's forge. Theater was just objectively superior compared to every other after.

Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 04, 2016, 09:56:33 PM

you had a good portion of Sep7agon's active users suggesting 343i's artists and designers deserve to be murdered simply because they disagreed on something subjective.

You mean only one user who hasn't even been on the site for that long?

You try to make us out to be irrationally hating 343i yet provide no evidence of it.

Fedora, Mr. Psychologist made a comment saying 343i's artists deserve to round up and shot, and 5 people liked it.

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Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 04, 2016, 09:56:33 PM

you had a good portion of Sep7agon's active users suggesting 343i's artists and designers deserve to be murdered simply because they disagreed on something subjective.

You mean only one user who hasn't even been on the site for that long?

You try to make us out to be irrationally hating 343i yet provide no evidence of it.

I mean it's not like he's wrong. People have been saying stuff like that. On the other hand, for him to take those quotes literally is something i'd expect more from Deci or a hardcore Archive denizen.

Maybe you don't understand that I've met people who have expressed actual desire to psychically abuse 343i if they were to see one of them in public. At that point, it stops being a joke when I can no longer tell who on the internet is saying a hyperbole and who is expressing actual malicious intent.

And it doesn't apply to just 343i. Comments like that made against any game designer really do disturb me.

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Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 04, 2016, 09:56:33 PM

you had a good portion of Sep7agon's active users suggesting 343i's artists and designers deserve to be murdered simply because they disagreed on something subjective.

You mean only one user who hasn't even been on the site for that long?

You try to make us out to be irrationally hating 343i yet provide no evidence of it.

I mean it's not like he's wrong. People have been saying stuff like that. On the other hand, for him to take those quotes literally is something i'd expect more from Deci or a hardcore Archive denizen.

Maybe you don't understand that I've met people who have expressed actual desire to psychically abuse 343i if they were to see one of them in public. At that point, it stops being a joke when I can no longer tell who on the internet is saying a hyperbole and who is expressing actual malicious intent.

You really think Psy would legit execute 343i's art team?

No. Because he didn't say that's what he wanted to do.

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Quote from: Mr. Admirals on March 04, 2016, 09:56:33 PM

you had a good portion of Sep7agon's active users suggesting 343i's artists and designers deserve to be murdered simply because they disagreed on something subjective.

You mean only one user who hasn't even been on the site for that long?

You try to make us out to be irrationally hating 343i yet provide no evidence of it.

I mean it's not like he's wrong. People have been saying stuff like that. On the other hand, for him to take those quotes literally is something i'd expect more from Deci or a hardcore Archive denizen.

Maybe you don't understand that I've met people who have expressed actual desire to psychically abuse 343i if they were to see one of them in public. At that point, it stops being a joke when I can no longer tell who on the internet is saying a hyperbole and who is expressing actual malicious intent.

You really think Psy would legit execute 343i's art team?

No. Because he didn't say that's what he wanted to do.

fUCK I thought the post was responding to the other conversation that's going on

S'all good in the neighborhood.

Halo 2 for Campaign, Reach for multiplayer.

Let's face it, despite the memery Reach had some insane forging capabilities with the custom game options to back it up.

Oh look. A Halo thread on Sep7agon that is inherently biased.

Surprised? I wasn't.

Oh look. People like something that you don't. Novel concept isn't it?