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Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 09:59:11 PM

>People still actually voting for Chief

I know right? There are like five more important people in that list than the Chief.

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Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 09:59:11 PM

>People still actually voting for Chief

I know right? There are like five more important people in that list than the Chief.

People are actually voting for Sgt Black Cliche Comic Relief too.

Just why?

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 10:02:14 PM

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Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 09:59:11 PM

>People still actually voting for Chief

I know right? There are like five more important people in that list than the Chief.

People are actually voting for Sgt Black Cliche Comic Relief too.

Just why?

Well. Game apperances aside, Johnson did do some work. I mean he survived all the way from Harvest up to the end of the war. He either ran away from a fuck ton of fights or he fought tooth and claw out of every one of them.

Even still, running away from the Covenant isn't easy either. The funny thing is, most people see Johnson's exterior. AKA Sgt Black Cliche.

But let's stop for a second and think about Johnson as a living, breathing Human being for a second here.

He was at the very heart of things when Harvest had first contact. And since then, he's probably seen dozens of other worlds fall to being glassed. And he's fought in fights, all over. He's watched his original team, members who survived Harvest as rookies, fall one by one.

And he's survived it all.

That leaves marks on people. We never saw much of any sides to Johnson other than uppity, comic relief johnson.

But if you take even very basic psychology and apply it to Johnson then you see that his humor is actually a fuck ton of pain. Like, A FUCKING LOT. And it's his hatred as well. How could he not hate after 25 years of that?

I want you to think about that. Every fight Johnson every had to retreat from probably burned his ass. Every death around him while he still survived left a mark on him. And by the end of the war, he was tired.

And you could see it. Even though by the end of Halo 3 he was beaten by moonbabies and then lasered by spark, he was tired of all of it. He was fundamentally broken and tired.

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 10:02:14 PM

Quote from: Korra on December 21, 2014, 10:00:44 PM

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 09:59:11 PM

>People still actually voting for Chief

I know right? There are like five more important people in that list than the Chief.

People are actually voting for Sgt Black Cliche Comic Relief too.

Just why?

Well. Game apperances aside, Johnson did do some work. I mean he survived all the way from Harvest up to the end of the war. He either ran away from a fuck ton of fights or he fought tooth and claw out of every one of them.

Even still, running away from the Covenant isn't easy either. The funny thing is, most people see Johnson's exterior. AKA Sgt Black Cliche.

But let's stop for a second and think about Johnson as a living, breathing Human being for a second here.

He was at the very heart of things when Harvest had first contact. And since then, he's probably seen dozens of other worlds fall to being glassed. And he's fought in fights, all over. He's watched his original team, members who survived Harvest as rookies, fall one by one.

And he's survived it all.

That leaves marks on people. We never saw much of any sides to Johnson other than uppity, comic relief johnson.

But if you take even very basic psychology and apply it to Johnson then you see that his humor is actually a fuck ton of pain. Like, A FUCKING LOT. And it's his hatred as well. How could he not hate after 25 years of that?

I want you to think about that. Every fight Johnson every had to retreat from probably burned his ass. Every death around him while he still survived left a mark on him. And by the end of the war, he was tired.

And you could see it. Even though by the end of Halo 3 he was beaten by moonbabies and then lasered by spark, he was tired of all of it. He was fundamentally broken and tired.

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 10:13:52 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on December 21, 2014, 10:10:46 PM

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 10:02:14 PM

Quote from: Korra on December 21, 2014, 10:00:44 PM

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 09:59:11 PM

>People still actually voting for Chief

I know right? There are like five more important people in that list than the Chief.

People are actually voting for Sgt Black Cliche Comic Relief too.

Just why?

Well. Game apperances aside, Johnson did do some work. I mean he survived all the way from Harvest up to the end of the war. He either ran away from a fuck ton of fights or he fought tooth and claw out of every one of them.

Even still, running away from the Covenant isn't easy either. The funny thing is, most people see Johnson's exterior. AKA Sgt Black Cliche.

But let's stop for a second and think about Johnson as a living, breathing Human being for a second here.

He was at the very heart of things when Harvest had first contact. And since then, he's probably seen dozens of other worlds fall to being glassed. And he's fought in fights, all over. He's watched his original team, members who survived Harvest as rookies, fall one by one.

And he's survived it all.

That leaves marks on people. We never saw much of any sides to Johnson other than uppity, comic relief johnson.

But if you take even very basic psychology and apply it to Johnson then you see that his humor is actually a fuck ton of pain. Like, A FUCKING LOT. And it's his hatred as well. How could he not hate after 25 years of that?

I want you to think about that. Every fight Johnson every had to retreat from probably burned his ass. Every death around him while he still survived left a mark on him. And by the end of the war, he was tired.

And you could see it. Even though by the end of Halo 3 he was beaten by moonbabies and then lasered by spark, he was tired of all of it. He was fundamentally broken and tired.

None of this makes him one of the important people from that list.
That's what I'm getting at.

Well sure it does. The fact that he was there for all those events cements his role. If you knocked Johnson out of the equation, things would be different.

For example. Let's say Johnson never survived Halo's explosion.

He wouldn't have been there to help Chief board Aescendant Justice. And, arguably, Johnson saved Chief's life when Chief got into a fight with a black armoured Spec Ops elite on the bridge. Chief was losing the hand to hand battle and when the door cracked open Johnson opened up on the elite and gave chief that extra edge.

The point is, Johnson never did anything humongous. But it doesn't change his role. Because all of his small events accumulated into something big. Every fight. Every battle. It all led up to things as we know them now.

Knock one domino out and everything falls apart.

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Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 09:59:11 PM

>People still actually voting for Chief

I know right? There are like five more important people in that list than the Chief.

People are actually voting for Sgt Black Cliche Comic Relief too.

Just why?

Well. Game apperances aside, Johnson did do some work. I mean he survived all the way from Harvest up to the end of the war. He either ran away from a fuck ton of fights or he fought tooth and claw out of every one of them.

Even still, running away from the Covenant isn't easy either. The funny thing is, most people see Johnson's exterior. AKA Sgt Black Cliche.

But let's stop for a second and think about Johnson as a living, breathing Human being for a second here.

He was at the very heart of things when Harvest had first contact. And since then, he's probably seen dozens of other worlds fall to being glassed. And he's fought in fights, all over. He's watched his original team, members who survived Harvest as rookies, fall one by one.

And he's survived it all.

That leaves marks on people. We never saw much of any sides to Johnson other than uppity, comic relief johnson.

But if you take even very basic psychology and apply it to Johnson then you see that his humor is actually a fuck ton of pain. Like, A FUCKING LOT. And it's his hatred as well. How could he not hate after 25 years of that?

I want you to think about that. Every fight Johnson every had to retreat from probably burned his ass. Every death around him while he still survived left a mark on him. And by the end of the war, he was tired.

And you could see it. Even though by the end of Halo 3 he was beaten by moonbabies and then lasered by spark, he was tired of all of it. He was fundamentally broken and tired.

None of this makes him one of the important people from that list.
That's what I'm getting at.

Well sure it does. The fact that he was there for all those events cements his role. If you knocked Johnson out of the equation, things would be different.

For example. Let's say Johnson never survived Halo's explosion.

He wouldn't have been there to help Chief board Aescendant Justice. And, arguably, Johnson saved Chief's life when Chief got into a fight with a black armoured Spec Ops elite on the bridge. Chief was losing the hand to hand battle and when the door cracked open Johnson opened up on the elite and gave chief that extra edge.

The point is, Johnson never did anything humongous. But it doesn't change his role. Because all of his small events accumulated into something big. Every fight. Every battle. It all led up to things as we know them now.

Knock one domino out and everything falls apart.

Now you're implying that Chief is on of the most important characters from that list.

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Quote from: Sandtrap on December 21, 2014, 10:19:14 PM

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 10:13:52 PM

Quote from: Sandtrap on December 21, 2014, 10:10:46 PM

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 10:02:14 PM

Quote from: Korra on December 21, 2014, 10:00:44 PM

Quote from: >Being a BongLemön on December 21, 2014, 09:59:11 PM

>People still actually voting for Chief

I know right? There are like five more important people in that list than the Chief.

People are actually voting for Sgt Black Cliche Comic Relief too.

Just why?

Well. Game apperances aside, Johnson did do some work. I mean he survived all the way from Harvest up to the end of the war. He either ran away from a fuck ton of fights or he fought tooth and claw out of every one of them.

Even still, running away from the Covenant isn't easy either. The funny thing is, most people see Johnson's exterior. AKA Sgt Black Cliche.

But let's stop for a second and think about Johnson as a living, breathing Human being for a second here.

He was at the very heart of things when Harvest had first contact. And since then, he's probably seen dozens of other worlds fall to being glassed. And he's fought in fights, all over. He's watched his original team, members who survived Harvest as rookies, fall one by one.

And he's survived it all.

That leaves marks on people. We never saw much of any sides to Johnson other than uppity, comic relief johnson.

But if you take even very basic psychology and apply it to Johnson then you see that his humor is actually a fuck ton of pain. Like, A FUCKING LOT. And it's his hatred as well. How could he not hate after 25 years of that?

I want you to think about that. Every fight Johnson every had to retreat from probably burned his ass. Every death around him while he still survived left a mark on him. And by the end of the war, he was tired.

And you could see it. Even though by the end of Halo 3 he was beaten by moonbabies and then lasered by spark, he was tired of all of it. He was fundamentally broken and tired.

None of this makes him one of the important people from that list.
That's what I'm getting at.

Well sure it does. The fact that he was there for all those events cements his role. If you knocked Johnson out of the equation, things would be different.

For example. Let's say Johnson never survived Halo's explosion.

He wouldn't have been there to help Chief board Aescendant Justice. And, arguably, Johnson saved Chief's life when Chief got into a fight with a black armoured Spec Ops elite on the bridge. Chief was losing the hand to hand battle and when the door cracked open Johnson opened up on the elite and gave chief that extra edge.

The point is, Johnson never did anything humongous. But it doesn't change his role. Because all of his small events accumulated into something big. Every fight. Every battle. It all led up to things as we know them now.

Knock one domino out and everything falls apart.

Now you're implying that Chief is on of the most important characters from that list.

Well, considering all the jobs Chief had himself dropped into, he's important too. All the folks on the list did something important whether it be big, or small. Some of them did it in a flash of glory like Cole or Whitcomb. Some of them fought for decades like Chief, Johnson, and Rookie. But their fights all amounted to something.

Hey now, Cole might not be actually dead.

Quote from: Korra on December 21, 2014, 09:58:56 PM

Added Kurt.

Hey why can't I change my vote

Quote from: Verbatim on December 22, 2014, 03:43:09 AM

Why's there so many? There's not even, like, ten games...

Books dude.

Everyone in the halo video games are retarded ass idiots. Except for Chief.

Quote from: ßå¢øñŠħëłƒ on December 22, 2014, 04:38:39 AM

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Quote from: Verbatim on December 22, 2014, 03:43:09 AM

Why's there so many? There's not even, like, ten games...

Books dude.

Everyone in the halo video games are retarded ass idiots. Except for Chief.

You. I like you.


OT: >people not saying Jeromi

Seriously. By 2541, he'd led the mobile hospital UNSC Hopeful into 17 actions with insurrectionists and 4 actions with the Covenant to retrieve wounded soldiers, nearly costing him his entire station every time and saving over 10,000 soldiers and crew. And no one remembers him.

Cole was bad. He had control of over half of the UNSC fleet and dedicated them to defending the colonies rather than making a dedicated offensive into Covenant territory. The UNSC made a tiny number of Ops into Covenant territory, and being permanently on a defensive footing an never win a war.

Well that's the thing. The UNSC never had a direction to push towards. They had limited maps of Covenant space and even then wasting resources to make a push into Covenant territory would have never worked. Which was why they waited to find a crack in the Covenant.

Red Flag was supposed to be their chance to really make a push. But the deal with the Covenant is that you can't beat them with numbers because they have the numbers to throw away.

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Quote from: ßå¢øñŠħëłƒ on December 22, 2014, 04:38:39 AM

Quote from: Sigma617 on December 22, 2014, 03:54:15 AM

Quote from: Verbatim on December 22, 2014, 03:43:09 AM

Why's there so many? There's not even, like, ten games...

Books dude.

Everyone in the halo video games are retarded ass idiots. Except for Chief.

You. I like you.


OT: >people not saying Jeromi

Seriously. By 2541, he'd led the mobile hospital UNSC Hopeful into 17 actions with insurrectionists and 4 actions with the Covenant to retrieve wounded soldiers, nearly costing him his entire station every time and saving over 10,000 soldiers and crew. And no one remembers him.

Cole was bad. He had control of over half of the UNSC fleet and dedicated them to defending the colonies rather than making a dedicated offensive into Covenant territory. The UNSC made a tiny number of Ops into Covenant territory, and being permanently on a defensive footing an never win a war.

Well that's the thing. The UNSC never had a direction to push towards. They had limited maps of Covenant space and even then wasting resources to make a push into Covenant territory would have never worked. Which was why they waited to find a crack in the Covenant.

Red Flag was supposed to be their chance to really make a push. But the deal with the Covenant is that you can't beat them with numbers because they have the numbers to throw away.

Operation PROMETHEUS and the other ventures by the SIII'S and Headhunters say no. Te UNSC knew fully where theCovenant were coming from, and it has been stated that the Covenant's network had Soviet-era firewalls if the UNSC had modern day ones. ONI even let the Covenant attack human colonies so that the Covenant wouldn't know their network had been breached and changed the security. I find it hard to believe the UNSC had no knowledge of any covenant refineries and such, when they had consisted operations against a hue shipbuilding facility.