Quote from: Pip on December 05, 2015, 11:06:39 PM

Damnit, debates ended up happening.

front page has more than enough info to answer your OP

Mostly negative stuff sadly, kinda wished for more positive outlooks with genuine discussion on what some of the best parts in Fallout would be.


But this is Sep7.

9/10 is very, very high

even though i still have a lot to play, i'm feeling in the 6-7 range myself

i actually think i like f3 a little more than some people here, which
...is surprising

but i wouldn't go that high, no way--it's just wayyy too buggy

Quote from: NiggerBot 9000 on December 05, 2015, 11:06:26 PM

Isometric gameplay is boring, that's why

A lot of old school peeps would disagree. Pillars of Eternity got nothing but rave reviews (funnily enough, that was from Obsidian too. Their first like... unrushed game in forever) and it was Isometric.

Holy fuck I just remembered Pillars of Eternity.

I want that game.

Quote from: Azumarill on December 05, 2015, 11:08:15 PM

Quote from: Pip on December 05, 2015, 11:06:39 PM

Damnit, debates ended up happening.

front page has more than enough info to answer your OP

Mostly negative stuff sadly, kinda wished for more positive outlooks with genuine discussion on what some of the best parts in Fallout would be.


But this is Sep7.

Well, since you want positives, I'll list some down for you

Positives:
-Obscene amount of content (hehe)
-Fantastic gameplay, Bethesda really nailed it this time
-Enemies are interesting and fun to fight
-Some of the best writing in a Bethesda game (It's definitely a step up in a lot of places, and there's more than three voice actors in the game)
-A fun town building mechanic, it's surprisingly well done
-Better story than Fallout 3
-Interesting weapons and armour modding system
-Power Armour is AMAZING, like it actually feels like power armour

Quote from: Pip on December 05, 2015, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on December 05, 2015, 11:08:15 PM

Quote from: Pip on December 05, 2015, 11:06:39 PM

Damnit, debates ended up happening.

front page has more than enough info to answer your OP

Mostly negative stuff sadly, kinda wished for more positive outlooks with genuine discussion on what some of the best parts in Fallout would be.


But this is Sep7.

well you asked for what to expect. im not going to sugarcoat the game's shortcomings. even for all its flaws its still a perfectly serviceable game that you'll get plenty of mileage out of.

I forget sarcasm doesn't translate well..

Oh

I have, but I like to actually talk too without insulting and shit posting. I think this whole dog dying thing has made me way more mellowed out here. Maybe for the better.

Oh, shit. Sorry to hear that.

My only real gripe with FO4 so far is the lack of roleplaying options. Your four choices are always sarcastic good guy, normie good guy, asshole/mopey good guy, and more information. There's never a way to decline quests except for completely ignoring NPCs and constantly walking away whenever they try to initiate dialogue.

Quote from: Pip on December 05, 2015, 11:11:06 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on December 05, 2015, 11:08:15 PM

Quote from: Pip on December 05, 2015, 11:06:39 PM

Damnit, debates ended up happening.

front page has more than enough info to answer your OP

Mostly negative stuff sadly, kinda wished for more positive outlooks with genuine discussion on what some of the best parts in Fallout would be.


But this is Sep7.

Well, since you want positives, I'll list some down for you

Positives:
-Obscene amount of content (hehe)
-Fantastic gameplay, Bethesda really nailed it this time
-Enemies are interesting and fun to fight
-Some of the best writing in a Bethesda game (It's definitely a step up in a lot of places, and there's more than three voice actors in the game)
-A fun town building mechanic, it's surprisingly well done
-Better story than Fallout 3
-Interesting weapons and armour modding system
-Power Armour is AMAZING, like it actually feels like power armour

The writing in Fallout 4 is piss, it's basically Fallout 3.5 with some changes here and there.

Quote from: BC on December 05, 2015, 09:49:00 PM

What's funny is that I dont understand how people find F4 unforgettable. The writing isn't even bad, just people were expecting some ridiculous stuff. Its like ES, the good writing is in the lore/writings you find. I mean I guess the Vault purposes were really easy to find out, but there also a lot of stuff that you have to search for, such as the additional purpose for 111 (beyond Cryogenics)

I didn't have a problem with a lot of the writing actually. It certainly was a step up from Fallout 3 and Skyrim. My main complaints come with some gameplay choices, lack of choices, fetch quests, compatibility (that's not the word I'm thinking of. I'm saying it stutters horribly in the city even on the top end computers) on PC and the lack of dialogue options. That and just the world exploring is pretty much useless because there is no point going at the end of dungeons in this game since Legendary Monsters now drop the loot. So when you lockpick that master chest at the end of whatever building, odds are you're finding some Pipe Rifle.

Again.

Badly optimised? I'm on XB1 and I've managed to keep a stable 30fps, for the most part. My only real major drop was in the Last Voyage of the USS Constituation quest, when I tried to go to the ship after siding with Cpt. Ironsides. Dear god, the framerate ;-;

I still consider the game a solid 8/10, though, for all it's faults. Maybe it's because after several years of mediocre/ disappointing releases, it was nice to have a game where what was advertised was what you got. The weapon crafting and armour crafting is really a superb addition to the game, but it reduces the specialness of a unique weapon. Most of the time, I just dump or sell anything I can't scrap. I find it perplexing, though, that they didn't include ammuniciton crafting. They could have just copy/pasted the system from New Vegas and then added some additional options because of raw materials in FO4, and ammo crafting would've been brilliant. Get rid of useless .38 rounds and convert them to other ammo types.

For someone like Pip, who isn't as much into the Fallout series (At least, that's the impression I got from OP), Fallout 4 is an excellent introduction to the series. It gets you into the general style of a Fallout game, and (from the combat perspective) is an easy transition from other shooters, and it means the subpar shooting mechanics of 3 and Vegas would be an easier transition.

Quote from: Bacon on December 06, 2015, 07:01:37 AM

For someone like Pip, who isn't as much into the Fallout series (At least, that's the impression I got from OP), Fallout 4 is an excellent introduction to the series. It gets you into the general style of a Fallout game, and (from the combat perspective) is an easy transition from other shooters, and it means the subpar shooting mechanics of 3 and Vegas would be an easier transition.

It's not that Vegas or 3 were bad in my eyes, but the art style drew me away.

I more meant that you hadn't played much of them >.>

What do you mean by the art style? Do you mean the 50's retro-future look or the less-than-amazing textures or something else? It's never  complaint I've heard about Fallout before.

Quote from: space boy on December 06, 2015, 08:44:35 AM

Quote from: Pip on December 06, 2015, 08:33:37 AM

Quote from: Bacon on December 06, 2015, 07:01:37 AM

For someone like Pip, who isn't as much into the Fallout series (At least, that's the impression I got from OP), Fallout 4 is an excellent introduction to the series. It gets you into the general style of a Fallout game, and (from the combat perspective) is an easy transition from other shooters, and it means the subpar shooting mechanics of 3 and Vegas would be an easier transition.

It's not that Vegas or 3 were bad in my eyes, but the art style drew me away.

I more meant that you hadn't played much of them >.>

What do you mean by the art style? Do you mean the 50's retro-future look or the less-than-amazing textures or something else? It's never  complaint I've heard about Fallout before.

The fact that it's always cloudy and gloomy, there is little to no reason for it to be always cloudy. Weather should still be happening. So sunlight should appear!

That's my main issue, the other is the VATS system in 3 and New Vegas.

Fallout New Vegas is blue skies and sunny.

You don't have to vats