Quote from: Jono on December 22, 2015, 10:42:26 PMIn the end I'm glad you gave the middle finger to The Enclave and Eden.i remember you telling me to destroy every enclave eye-bot, and i questioned it at firstnow i understand why
In the end I'm glad you gave the middle finger to The Enclave and Eden.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm pretty pumped to play Dark Souls next.
Quote from: Verbatim on December 23, 2015, 12:34:53 AMI can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm pretty pumped to play Dark Souls next.Pretty pumped to give it a 3/10?
Colonel autumn was a good guy. Still nevsr figured out why you have to work against him.
Quote from: space boy on December 23, 2015, 03:02:45 AMColonel autumn was a good guy. Still nevsr figured out why you have to work against him.I still don't understand why he is still antagonistic even though he wants the same thing as the brotherhood. Seeing as it's Eden that wants to kill basically everything with even a little radiation damage
Reminder that Broken Steel is non-canon
Quote from: Prime Megaten on December 23, 2015, 12:07:20 PMReminder that Broken Steel is non-canonIs it?
Quote from: Verbatim on December 23, 2015, 12:34:53 AMI can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm pretty pumped to play Dark Souls next.Are you sure?
Quote from: space boy on December 23, 2015, 03:02:45 AMColonel autumn was a good guy. Still nevsr figured out why you have to work against him.Yeah, that kinda rubbed me the wrong way, too--since Autumn obviously doesn't agree with Eden's extreme methods, as Eden himself explained. I think the idea was that, no matter how you slice it, Autumn still threatened to kill your father--and that makes him unmitigable to the Lone Wanderer's eyes, no matter which path you take.just a ballpark
Because Autumn's goals weren't altruistic like the East Coast Brotherhood's. He wanted to use the purifier as a means of control, so everyone would flock to the Enclave and allow them to start becoming a major power again after the events of Fallout 2. Not as bad as Eden, but the Enclave as a group is an objectively evil organization, and there's no ethical reason to side with them when the BoS is an option.
The Brotherhood traditionally isn't evil, they're morally ambiguous. Their main goal is to hoard powerful pre-war technology and prevent wastelanders from obtaining it, because in their minds, technology is what led to the Great War. And they alone have the caution to wield it. In the first two games, they're presented as asshole bigots who will occasionally work with you against larger threats (Super Mutants, the Enclave). There are branches, but also a central unifying command.Bethesda, though, needed a big good organization for plotting purposes, I guess. And so they made the Brotherhood fit that role. Lore-wise, the Brotherhood you see in 3 was sent to the east coast just to expand the BoS's influence, but Elder Lyons saw the terrible conditions in the Capitol Wasteland and took it upon himself to fix things. He knew it deviated from his mission, but he did it anyway. The "Brotherhood Outcasts" you sometimes see are actually those who stayed loyal to the mission and seceded from Lyons, believing he was defying the Brotherhood.
I have yet to play F4, but that's good to hear. I really need to get a PS4.And of course Eden and Autumn are different. Eden was a pretty stock megalomaniacal AI, who didn't really care about the Enclave as much as he cared about America. Autumn's only goals were to take the purifier so he would reestablish the Enclave on the east coast and start restoring it to its former glory. Which, as you know, is a bad thing. Since the Enclave has no problems with genocide, forced genetic mutation, torture, and any number of heinous things. The future of the land under the Enclave may be stable, but it would be anything but good for its inhabitants. Certainly nowhere near the level of prosperity that the Capitol Wasteland under Lyons' BoS would be.
I don't know why you got that impression. The problem with Eden's plan is that it wouldn't just wipe out super mutants and ghouls, but anyone with a hint of radiation. And those are the people that Autumn needs if he wants to establish Enclave superiority over the wastes. The Enclave has always depended on wastelanders, for manual labor, cultivating resources, and experimentation. That's why Eden's plan isn't in line with the Enclave's goals, but with the goal of a long-term fix to America itself. Autumn showed no sign that he would deviate from the legacy of the western Enclave, and proved himself to be just as ruthless as his counterparts plenty of times throughout the game. Autumn would never work with Lyons, because that would mean sharing control. His goals weren't altruistic, they were all for the Enclave.