Explain the difference between renting, buying used, and pirating

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Do rentals even exist any more? I haven't seen any in my local game stores in about 6-7 years. Maybe I'm just a casual but it seems like downloadable games are phasing out the prospect of renting them like Netflix is to movies.

But to answer the OP, I don't think piracy is comparable. If you're renting at least someone down the line is receiving some form of compensation for the product being consumed. Even if the publishers are getting a raw deal their games are still technically getting recognition via the retailers, whereas piracy is just blatant theft.


 
 
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you would be doing less wrong if you both paid for the movies and donated to charity would you not

you would still be doing less wrong if you just paid for the movie and not donated to charity

and you would still be doing less wrong if you just didnt watch the movie at all and donated to charity

would it be okay to kick a dog and then save another dog's life later vs not kicking the dog at all or saving a dogs life because you could
Last Edit: April 08, 2017, 04:05:14 PM by Pepsi


 
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Unrelated to this specific case, but what do you think about that? Say I download 3 movies a month. That would normally cost me $30. At the end of the month, I donate that $30 to a charity feeding the poor and homeless. Would that still be morally reprehensible? Had I not downloaded the movie, I never would've bought it.
I think Pepsi just put it exactly how I would, if not better.


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sure you dont directly hurt anyone and as far as crimes go most people dont give a shit but that doesnt mean its right

if youre consuming entertainment for the sake of it, someone put their time and effort into something you can spend your time on and expects to be compensated for it

again even if it may not hurt them directly, its either right or wrong, there is no inbetween

i dont care whether anyone here does it but like ian said, if it isnt supposed to be free and it wasnt handed to you legitimately, its wrong
Last Edit: April 08, 2017, 04:08:52 PM by Pepsi


 
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You wouldn't download a pizza


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Businesses that rent out games probably have a license or something so they're authorised to be providing that kind of service, renting from said business is therefore no problem.

Nope, no license is needed to rent or trade games, and publishers never see a dime from any licensing. As far as I know it's just an accepted gray area that nobody has tried to pursue.


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that nobody has tried to pursue.

are you sure about that

im pretty sure publishers or otherwise had tried to prevent people reselling preowned copies of games at one point

maybe they stopped but i think that was a thing that happened


 
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that nobody has tried to pursue.

are you sure about that

im pretty sure publishers or otherwise had tried to prevent people reselling preowned copies of games at one point

maybe they stopped but i think that was a thing that happened

They included online passes that only came free with new copies for a while.


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There is no real justification for piracy tbh.


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So... I guess I'm going to have to pick up after your horrendous mistakes on here too?
Piracy, somewhat of a crime, but I believe nothing of payment is required

Renting is paying only a fraction of what would be the whole price if you were to permanently buy it, but only for a limited time is it yours.

Buying it used is that you get to keep the game for a lower price because, as it implies, it's used and no longer has its fresh new and mint condition value. So paying for a game copy that's not even fresh out of the making at full price is shady.


 
 
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If you rent a game, you paid to play it for a short time.
If you buy a used game, you still paid to play it but someone else paid to play it first.

But you don't pay to play it; the publishers (and developers) get nothing from rentals or used sales. If you feel this way, how would you respond to my question about paying a nominal fee for a pirated copy? And at that point, how are rentals and used sales not worse than pirating, since those retailers get profit from selling the game, whereas people that upload copies of games make no money at all?

To be clear, I agree pretty much entirely with you; I'm trying to work this out in my own head, too.
It's a tricky one, but with rentals I think the difference is that the game has been licensed by the retailer to rent out (even if it's simply buying 5 standard copies of a game) and when you rent the game you are only in temporary possession of the ability to play it legally. After that period (i.e a week) you have to return it or you are liable to fines or whatever from the retailer.

If it was simply a matter of paying 50p/c to get the game forever, and that reimbursed the creator/publisher, you could then start to ask why on earth law abiding citizens have to pay $60/£55 to get infinite access to the same product for the same length of time.

To me it would almost make it worse if people were paying a token sum to steal a game, like swiping a bottle of champagne and leaving a dollar note on the shelf where it was with a 'mah b' written on it.


 
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fuck you
I look at it in a much simpler manner tbh

If you buy a game, you paid to play it.
If you rent a game, you paid to play it for a short time.
If you buy a used game, you still paid to play it but someone else paid to play it first.

If you steal it, you are paying nothing to play it and you are a god damn thieving dindu who deserves the gibbet rather than gibs.

I personally like the ''''b-b-b-b-b-b-ut i'm trying it out to see if i like it/can run it abubububub''''
Steam has done refunds for a while now, there is no excuse.
oh

This pretty much

Also I forgot renting was a thing


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My favourite is "i wouldn't have bought the game anyway!!!!!"


 
 
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My favourite is "i wouldn't have bought the game anyway!!!!!"
A fine example of self-justifying dinduitis.



 
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This is not the greatest sig in the world, no. This is just a tribute.
"It's not stealing if you're copying the game! :^)"

I fucking hate people that use this argument; intentionally playing word games to justify IP theft. I would have more respect for pirates if they just admitted that they don't want to pay for shit and are going to always pirate just because they want to. Trying to use moral arguments will always fail.
Intelectual property isn't real. It's a flawed concept that relies on spooks to work.


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does this stuff even work?
it's not pirating.

it's sharing.
Last Edit: April 14, 2017, 01:14:49 AM by The Hån


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Lol pirates still haven't thought up a reasonable justification


 
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Lol pirates still haven't thought up a reasonable justification



 
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Lol pirates still haven't thought up a reasonable justification

"deal with it" is just as faggoty a dfense as all the rest


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It's a tricky one, but with rentals I think the difference is that the game has been licensed by the retailer to rent out

They don't though. There's no license to rent games.


 
 
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It's a tricky one, but with rentals I think the difference is that the game has been licensed by the retailer to rent out

They don't though. There's no license to rent games.
Huh

Well the more you know.



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Lol pirates still haven't thought up a reasonable justification

"deal with it" is just as faggoty a dfense as all the rest

Not really a defense, more of a "I don't care what you think".